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Can Bush Bounce Back?
CBS NEWS ^ | July 5, 2007 | Greg Kandra

Posted on 07/05/2007 8:31:03 PM PDT by Baladas

President Bush has been having an uphill climb in the polls -- or a downhill slide, depending on your point of view.

And according to CBS News director of surveys, Kathleen Frankovic, that picture probably won't be changing any time soon: Presidents can rebound. There can be a “rallying point.” In his 1973 book Wars, Presidents and Public Opinion, John Mueller studied presidential approval ratings. Simply stated, he found three key factors. First is length of time in office; approval usually goes down the longer a president serves, as whatever he does alienates someone. Second is the economy, which can either help or hurt. And third is long-term war, especially American casualties, which reduces approval..

Mueller also identified what he called “rally points,” which can bump up approval ratings, at least for a while. This president’s biggest rally point occurred after the 9/11 terrorist attacks. His support also rose (less dramatically) at the start of the Iraq war in 2003. It declined (as Mueller predicted) as that war went on. Most rally points involve foreign threat or action – like George H.W. Bush and the 1991 Persian Gulf War, Ronald Reagan and the invasion of Grenada in 1983, and even Jimmy Carter and the seizure of American hostages in Iran in 1979. There are also “rally points” when the presidency, though certainly not the nation, has been in crisis. The best example of that was when Bill Clinton’s lagging approval rating rose above 60 percent after reports of his entanglement with Monica Lewinsky surfaced in 1998.

Mueller also notes that sometimes opinions are too fixed to change.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: amnesty; blowbackfordubya; bush; deathofthegop; lameduck; msmbias; poll
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MSM analysis...the approval numbers are absolute - they're either up or down, regardless of any "point of view".

Miss it by a mile IMO - ignores both the Congress and their own apporval numbers, which matter more.

1 posted on 07/05/2007 8:31:04 PM PDT by Baladas
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To: Baladas

you like liberal media?


2 posted on 07/05/2007 8:34:52 PM PDT by ken21
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To: Baladas
even Jimmy Carter and the seizure of American hostages in Iran in 1979.

That was a rally point?!!

3 posted on 07/05/2007 8:39:10 PM PDT by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: Baladas

Can he bounce back to what? I don’t see him running for any other political offices. Kind of a lame article. Sort of like all the Democrats now running for their Presidential Primary, seem to be running against a non-candidate. How many times do we have to hear, they hate GW?For that matter, how many times do they have to restate their hatred for GW? The entire world has known it, and been reminded of it day in and day out, since 2000!


4 posted on 07/05/2007 8:42:34 PM PDT by ImpBill ("America ... Where are you now?" --Greg Adams--Brownsville, TX --On the other Front Line)
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To: Baladas

Can he? Yes.

Will he? Unlikely.


5 posted on 07/05/2007 8:43:46 PM PDT by HitmanLV ("Lord, give me chastity and temperance, but not now." - St. Augustine)
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To: Baladas

Gee, I don’t know?

How about Harry Reid? Nancy Pelosi?

Why don’t the ass-biters at CBS ask about those two turds?


6 posted on 07/05/2007 8:46:08 PM PDT by Yankee
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To: HitmanLV

Is that a Good Thing or a Bad Thing?


7 posted on 07/05/2007 8:47:35 PM PDT by MARTIAL MONK
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To: Baladas

Dead Cat Bounce?


8 posted on 07/05/2007 8:49:35 PM PDT by Nonstatist
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To: MARTIAL MONK

Bad thing. It increases the dem’s leverage going into the 2008 election.


9 posted on 07/05/2007 8:50:18 PM PDT by HitmanLV ("Lord, give me chastity and temperance, but not now." - St. Augustine)
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To: HitmanLV
I don't know if most people on this board remember, Reagan was hated by the media. He also made a poor decision about amnesty, and gave us two really bad judges. His poll numbers were also down a time or two. He was called stupid and held with great disdain by the media. He also lost the senate his second term. He was not always popular. Yet today he is very popular and highly revered, and some day so will George Bush!
10 posted on 07/05/2007 9:01:05 PM PDT by jmj3jude
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To: Baladas
Can Bush Bounce Back?

No.

11 posted on 07/05/2007 9:04:06 PM PDT by Old Sarge (This tagline in memory of FReeper 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub)
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Can Bush Bounce Back?

Does it matter? Let him be the Left's lightning rod, enabling Thompson to deconstruct the Hildebeast at his leisure, and even run against Bush himself--there's plenty there to run against from a conservative perspective.

12 posted on 07/05/2007 9:04:37 PM PDT by sourcery (Anthropogenic Global Warming: A convenient lie designed to establish socialism by fear and deception)
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To: jmj3jude

All true, but Dubya’s unpopularity has been strong for over a year now. with most of the movement being downward. Reagan had no protracted unpopularity in the 30s in his era.

This is new territory, and comparisons to Reagan are presumptuous.


13 posted on 07/05/2007 9:09:39 PM PDT by HitmanLV ("Lord, give me chastity and temperance, but not now." - St. Augustine)
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I voted for this guy twice, but i now see the error of my ways. He’s going lower poll-wise if I’m any type of reference point. I just wish he’s stay off the teevee, send someone else to talk-—know what i mean?


14 posted on 07/05/2007 9:12:01 PM PDT by jefffriedberg (Stay off the teevee plz?)
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To: Yankee

Don’t forget Sandy Berger.


15 posted on 07/05/2007 9:12:06 PM PDT by mazza
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To: jmj3jude
I don't know if most people on this board remember, Reagan was hated by the media. He also made a poor decision about amnesty, and gave us two really bad judges. His poll numbers were also down a time or two. He was called stupid and held with great disdain by the media. He also lost the senate his second term. He was not always popular. Yet today he is very popular and highly revered, and some day so will George Bush!

Yet "today" Reagan is popular?

You seem confused.

I remember it very well.

In California, even with it's liberals, when Reagan died, I have *never* seen an out pouring of people like that in my life.

Hundreds of thousands of people stopped on roads and freeways in Southern California bringing them to a complete stop when his funeral procession passed.

Hundreds ran to freeway over passes. Reports estimated over 500,000 lined the roads and freeways, standing, many crying, waving and saluting, as the President Reagan left on his final trip.

It was unbelievable by any description.

No, Reagan was *always* popular with the people.

16 posted on 07/05/2007 9:16:43 PM PDT by dragnet2
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To: HitmanLV
In his 1973 book Wars, Presidents and Public Opinion, John Mueller studied presidential approval ratings.

Political Science is as much art as it is science, but might I suggest that changes in communications methods alone have been substantial since 1973 - and Mueller's analysis might be as relevant as the "opinion leader" models from the era of influential newspaper endorsements. That is to say zip, zero, nada.

17 posted on 07/05/2007 9:19:04 PM PDT by Wally_Kalbacken (Seldom right but never in doubt)
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To: HitmanLV
I don’t think so, Bush has been fighting a real war, not that the cold war wasn’t real, but we didn’t have soliders dying. We did not have complete and utter hatred by the democrats and media as George Bush has had to endure. Ever since the Clinton’s, the whole dialogue has changed for the worse. Complete personal destruction of your opponent. I think that is why Bush is in the thirtys, and if you follow Rasmussen he only got their recently. He has hovered in the forties for a long time. George W. Bush has been a pretty good president overall and one day many will come to realize it.
18 posted on 07/05/2007 9:21:20 PM PDT by jmj3jude
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To: Baladas

Sorry, not so long ago I would have dragged my Redneck Ass over hot asphalt to support “W”, Hell, that fantasy is history!


19 posted on 07/05/2007 9:24:24 PM PDT by SWAMPSNIPER (THE SECOND AMENDMENT IS A MATTER OF FACT, NOT A MATTER OF OPINION)
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To: dragnet2
I am not confused, Reagan was always popular with the people, but not always according to polls during his presidency. That is a fact, and he was blamed for losing the senate his second term. He wasn’t a perfect president and neither is W. But both are good men and both will be seen as such one day!
20 posted on 07/05/2007 9:28:47 PM PDT by jmj3jude
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