Posted on 07/06/2007 6:30:56 AM PDT by stm
SAN DIEGO — The Navy is investigating claims that Camp Pendleton Marines killed between five and 10 unarmed suspected Iraqi insurgents who had been captured during a fierce battle in Fallujah in November 2004.
The criminal probe centers on the actions of several members of Kilo Company, 3rd Battalion, 1st Marines, current and former Marines told The Associated Press on condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to discuss the investigation.
Different members of the same unit were later accused of wrongdoing in the killings of 24 civilians in Haditha in 2005.
The investigation was launched when Ryan Weemer, a former Marine corporal injured while fighting in Fallujah, applied for a job with the Secret Service. When asked during a polygraph test if he had ever participated in a wrongful death, Weemer described the killings.
Weemer, 24, from Hindsboro, Ill., could not be reached for comment, but his sister Felicia Hudson said he was trying to put the event behind him.
"He does not like to talk about it," Hudson said. "He is very proud to be a Marine but he wants to get past all this and look to the future."
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Not unarmed Iraqi civilians, but Terrorists who had laid their weapons away.
Since they are terrorists, not part of an Army, don't adhere to any rules or laws, they are free game.
I fail to see anything wrong. That's the way to fight them... not catch and release.
And I should care about this before?
These are terrorists/insurgence... they do not meet the requirements of the Geneva convention, and are not afforded its protections.
If these guys did execute these #@@#ers after capturing them, fine by me.
If Jorge needs advice on who to pardon, it should be anyone in the military accused of these BS "war crimes." In a war, bad things are going to happen. Somehow, I think our troops might have a problem doing their job if they have to worry about being persecuted for war crimes each time they aim a gun at someone who is potentially dangerous.
Moreover, if I recall correctly, under the Geneva Conventions an enemy combatant captured who is not in uniform is considered a spy and may be summarily executed.
Relax, he is President not Dictator. Turning a Hidatha thread into an immigration President Bush bash is disgusting.
Looks like the only question is whether these terrorists who were shooting at our Marines dropped their weapons??
Pray for W and Our Marines
They should be punished. 50 push-ups and take away the dessert in the MRE...
Under the LOAC they acted properly. The terrorist do not wear uniforms and therefore are not allowed any Geneva Convention rights or privileges. They have killed all Americans taken prisoner and have set the stage for use to not take prisoners through their actions.
A spy is not afforded Geneva convention protections, you are correct.
To be afforded the convention protections you must be a standing member of a recognized military (member of your nations armed forces) and be in military uniform.
Any spy is not afforded protections of the Geneva convention.
Terrorist cells are not, etc etc etc.
Even if these guys did this, I have ZERO issue with it... if they disobeyed a direct order by doing it, that’s an internal military issue regarding the chain of command and following orders... its not an international incident.
I like your idea of punishment, except it’s hot right now in California so 40 push ups. Seriously if these politicians want to send their kids to war they should be able to fight total and uncivilized war, no lawyers, no umpires, no media, no rules or don’t send them. If you want to fight wars with rules F—king politicians. Ted Kennedy could go as a military blimp.
BFD
Walter Winchill has been dug up to make the announcement: "What was Ike thinking?"
No, not the lemon pound cake! That’s cruel and unusual punishment and quite possibly a Geneva Convention Category III violation!!!!
“Moreover, if I recall correctly, under the Geneva Conventions an enemy combatant captured who is not in uniform is considered a spy and may be summarily executed.”
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How does this apply to our special ops guys who always go out in civilian gear when on patrol in Afghanistan?
Same deal - they can be executed if captured. It is sort of a moot point however, as these islamfacists never abide by the conventions anyway.
Hey, these are serious violations...
I was never in the military, so I will need some enlightenment from someone who was or is to tell me what the correct answer to this issue is. My understanding (again, take with a grain of salt) is that the military does not operate in the same fashion as police officers. That is, it is not the military's job to read a potential enemy his/her Miranda rights, but rather, to destroy said enemy by any means necessary. From what I've been reading, our military has not been allowed to do its job, and as long as our troops are persecuted for BS "war crimes" each time they pick up a weapon, they will not be able to do their jobs.
Shooting someone that has dropped their weapon can be a touchy situation. I personally have no problem with dropping these worthless sons of bitches where they stand but with our politically correct field grade and flag officers......well you know. They sit all warm and safe in their CP’s and don’t have to worry about getting shot or blown up by these mongrels.
Whiskey Tango Foxtrot?
Ahem, not too sure that would be construed as punishment. Perhaps taking the single square of TP would've been a better analogy. ;)
I guess you have never had the lemon and poppy seed pound cake before...
LOL, missed the pleasure. My sons an active duty MARINE, perhaps I'll call him and get his opinion. He said after 2 weeks on them they truly do become Meals Refusing to Exit.
I'm retired VP NAVY, we cooked our own food.
Give ‘em a medal!
“VP Navy”?
ASW Patrol Aircraft: P2V Neptunes, P3 Orions, S3 Vikings, etc.
It even took me a second page in the website to confirm that "VP" is (fixed wing) patrol squadron designator.
But now we all know.
P3 update Charlies and Superbees.
Before that T2C Buckeyes, TA4J's Skyhawk (yes J's) P2's....seems to me that was in Orville and Wilburs time... ***snicker, snicker** ;)
Hey man, I grew-up living in the pattern at Willow Grove NAS. My Dad used to take me to the parking lot outside the fence to watch the aircraft takeoff/land.
I know this ‘dates me’ but the (Navy) aircraft then were F8U Crusaders or P2V Neptunes with the occaisional S2F thrown in. I don’t recall seeing Orville or Wilbur there!
When I finally moved away in ‘86 the Marines were still flying A4M’s. In fact, about 2 weeks after I actually moved one crashlanded about 2 blocks from my house. Happy ending: nobody was hurt & the pilot survived uninjured.
made waaay too many runs to there to count. I liked going down to Philly and getting a cheese steak. "The Grove" wasn't too bad, for east cost I liked NAS Brunswick the most. NAS Whigbey for west coast.
"I don’t recall seeing Orville or Wilbur there!"
LOL, my bad, they'd have been stationed down near Norfolk VA.
When I finally moved away in ‘86 (19, correct, LOL) the Marines were still flying A4M’s. In fact, about 2 weeks after I actually moved one crashlanded ( I saw one go in down at P'Cola back in the mid 70's. the rifle bolt release on the canopy put too many worry lines on my face. ) about 2 blocks from my house. Happy ending: nobody was hurt & the pilot survived uninjured. Amen to that
there that should take this sufficiently off topic to never find it's way back. ;)
I worked on TA-4F/J’s, A-4E/M’s and UH-1N’s out of NAS South Weymouth, MA until 1984. I had a great time on I and I duty.
I've been to Weymouth. We spent quite a bit of time in Brusnwick and Willow Grove. Went down to Salem for the weekend once.
By your tag line I'll assume you were/are MARINE. My son was attached to a Cobra squadron. He's PCS'ng to MSG now.
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