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Navy Probes Claims Marines Killed Unarmed Iraqi Insurgents in Fallujah
Fox News ^ | 06 Jul 07 | AP

Posted on 07/06/2007 6:30:56 AM PDT by stm

SAN DIEGO — The Navy is investigating claims that Camp Pendleton Marines killed between five and 10 unarmed suspected Iraqi insurgents who had been captured during a fierce battle in Fallujah in November 2004.

The criminal probe centers on the actions of several members of Kilo Company, 3rd Battalion, 1st Marines, current and former Marines told The Associated Press on condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to discuss the investigation.

Different members of the same unit were later accused of wrongdoing in the killings of 24 civilians in Haditha in 2005.

The investigation was launched when Ryan Weemer, a former Marine corporal injured while fighting in Fallujah, applied for a job with the Secret Service. When asked during a polygraph test if he had ever participated in a wrongful death, Weemer described the killings.

Weemer, 24, from Hindsboro, Ill., could not be reached for comment, but his sister Felicia Hudson said he was trying to put the event behind him.

"He does not like to talk about it," Hudson said. "He is very proud to be a Marine but he wants to get past all this and look to the future."

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1 posted on 07/06/2007 6:31:01 AM PDT by stm
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Killed unarmed Iraqi Insurgents

Not unarmed Iraqi civilians, but Terrorists who had laid their weapons away.

Since they are terrorists, not part of an Army, don't adhere to any rules or laws, they are free game.

I fail to see anything wrong. That's the way to fight them... not catch and release.

2 posted on 07/06/2007 6:35:16 AM PDT by SolidWood (UN delenda est.)
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To: stm

And I should care about this before?

These are terrorists/insurgence... they do not meet the requirements of the Geneva convention, and are not afforded its protections.

If these guys did execute these #@@#ers after capturing them, fine by me.


3 posted on 07/06/2007 6:35:47 AM PDT by HamiltonJay
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Unarmed insurgent? How is that possible?

If Jorge needs advice on who to pardon, it should be anyone in the military accused of these BS "war crimes." In a war, bad things are going to happen. Somehow, I think our troops might have a problem doing their job if they have to worry about being persecuted for war crimes each time they aim a gun at someone who is potentially dangerous.

4 posted on 07/06/2007 6:36:31 AM PDT by pnh102
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Moreover, if I recall correctly, under the Geneva Conventions an enemy combatant captured who is not in uniform is considered a spy and may be summarily executed.


5 posted on 07/06/2007 6:42:41 AM PDT by NoBullZone
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To: pnh102

Relax, he is President not Dictator. Turning a Hidatha thread into an immigration President Bush bash is disgusting.

Looks like the only question is whether these terrorists who were shooting at our Marines dropped their weapons??

Pray for W and Our Marines


6 posted on 07/06/2007 6:42:46 AM PDT by bray (Member of the FR President Bush underground)
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To: stm

They should be punished. 50 push-ups and take away the dessert in the MRE...


7 posted on 07/06/2007 6:45:56 AM PDT by 2banana (My common ground with terrorists - they want to die for islam and we want to kill them)
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To: stm

Under the LOAC they acted properly. The terrorist do not wear uniforms and therefore are not allowed any Geneva Convention rights or privileges. They have killed all Americans taken prisoner and have set the stage for use to not take prisoners through their actions.


8 posted on 07/06/2007 6:49:31 AM PDT by KC-10A BOOMER (Looks like I picked the wrong week to stop sniffing glue)
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To: NoBullZone

A spy is not afforded Geneva convention protections, you are correct.

To be afforded the convention protections you must be a standing member of a recognized military (member of your nations armed forces) and be in military uniform.

Any spy is not afforded protections of the Geneva convention.

Terrorist cells are not, etc etc etc.

Even if these guys did this, I have ZERO issue with it... if they disobeyed a direct order by doing it, that’s an internal military issue regarding the chain of command and following orders... its not an international incident.


9 posted on 07/06/2007 6:52:31 AM PDT by HamiltonJay
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I like your idea of punishment, except it’s hot right now in California so 40 push ups. Seriously if these politicians want to send their kids to war they should be able to fight total and uncivilized war, no lawyers, no umpires, no media, no rules or don’t send them. If you want to fight wars with rules F—king politicians. Ted Kennedy could go as a military blimp.


10 posted on 07/06/2007 6:52:47 AM PDT by Plains Drifter (If guns kill people, wouldn't there be a lot of dead people at gun shows?)
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To: stm
Marines killed between five and 10 unarmed suspected Iraqi insurgents

BFD

11 posted on 07/06/2007 6:53:50 AM PDT by andyandval
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To: stm
In other news, several American generals have been indicted posthumously for the summary executions of dozens of Nazi soldiers and officers dressed in American uniforms at some obscure and unimportant piece of woodland somewhere in Belgium.

Walter Winchill has been dug up to make the announcement: "What was Ike thinking?"

12 posted on 07/06/2007 6:57:42 AM PDT by metesky ("Brethren, leave us go amongst them." Rev. Capt. Samuel Johnston Clayton - Ward Bond- The Searchers)
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No, not the lemon pound cake! That’s cruel and unusual punishment and quite possibly a Geneva Convention Category III violation!!!!


13 posted on 07/06/2007 7:00:25 AM PDT by stm (Fred Thompson in 08! Return our country to the era of Reagan Conservatism)
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To: NoBullZone

“Moreover, if I recall correctly, under the Geneva Conventions an enemy combatant captured who is not in uniform is considered a spy and may be summarily executed.”

________________

How does this apply to our special ops guys who always go out in civilian gear when on patrol in Afghanistan?


14 posted on 07/06/2007 7:01:40 AM PDT by berstbubble
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To: berstbubble

Same deal - they can be executed if captured. It is sort of a moot point however, as these islamfacists never abide by the conventions anyway.


15 posted on 07/06/2007 7:03:49 AM PDT by NoBullZone
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To: stm
It's ashamed we're handicapping our military in this way. We're up against millions of dedicated followers of an extremist religious ideology who are more than willing to fight and die for their beliefs. It's clear that these were enemy combatants who, left to live, would have again picked up their weapons and continued to attack and kill our troops.

If we continue to analyze every decision under a microscope, then the struggle against radical islam will have been in vain.
16 posted on 07/06/2007 7:05:52 AM PDT by reagan_fanatic (Press 1 for English, press 2 for deport)
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No, not the lemon pound cake! That’s cruel and unusual punishment and quite possibly a Geneva Convention Category III violation!!!!

Hey, these are serious violations...

17 posted on 07/06/2007 7:10:47 AM PDT by 2banana (My common ground with terrorists - they want to die for islam and we want to kill them)
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To: bray
Looks like the only question is whether these terrorists who were shooting at our Marines dropped their weapons??

I was never in the military, so I will need some enlightenment from someone who was or is to tell me what the correct answer to this issue is. My understanding (again, take with a grain of salt) is that the military does not operate in the same fashion as police officers. That is, it is not the military's job to read a potential enemy his/her Miranda rights, but rather, to destroy said enemy by any means necessary. From what I've been reading, our military has not been allowed to do its job, and as long as our troops are persecuted for BS "war crimes" each time they pick up a weapon, they will not be able to do their jobs.

18 posted on 07/06/2007 7:23:21 AM PDT by pnh102
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Shooting someone that has dropped their weapon can be a touchy situation. I personally have no problem with dropping these worthless sons of bitches where they stand but with our politically correct field grade and flag officers......well you know. They sit all warm and safe in their CP’s and don’t have to worry about getting shot or blown up by these mongrels.


19 posted on 07/06/2007 7:40:38 AM PDT by stm (Fred Thompson in 08! Return our country to the era of Reagan Conservatism)
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To: stm
a former Marine corporal injured while fighting in Fallujah, applied for a job with the Secret Service. When asked during a polygraph test if he had ever participated in a wrongful death, Weemer described the killings.

Whiskey Tango Foxtrot?

20 posted on 07/06/2007 7:55:59 AM PDT by strange1 ("Show the enemy harm so he shall not advance" Sun Tzu The Art of War)
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