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As for me, I think it's about time the Knights change their by-laws for those knights who choose to enter public life!
1 posted on 07/10/2007 5:36:38 AM PDT by markomalley
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To: markomalley

Where is your sarcasm tag? :-)


2 posted on 07/10/2007 5:38:15 AM PDT by netmilsmom (To attack one section of Christianity in this day and age, is to waste time.)
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To: markomalley

Democrat FIRST......CAtholic SECOND!!!


3 posted on 07/10/2007 5:39:58 AM PDT by Suzy Quzy (Hillary in '08.....Her PHONINESS is GENUINE !!!!)
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To: markomalley
I'm shocked...shocked to hear that people join faith based fraternal organizations for other than selfless reasons.


4 posted on 07/10/2007 5:40:08 AM PDT by Vaquero (" an armed society is a polite society" Heinlein "MOLON LABE!" Leonidas of Sparta)
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As I saw on a car recently, you cannot be Catholic and Pro-Abortion at the same time.......I suppose that goes for gay-marriage, too......


5 posted on 07/10/2007 5:40:49 AM PDT by Red Badger (No wonder Mexico is so filthy. Everybody who does cleaning jobs is HERE!.......)
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To: markomalley

This is a disgrace.


6 posted on 07/10/2007 5:41:50 AM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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The K of C is shocked that there are many “Kennedy Catholics” in Massachusettes?


7 posted on 07/10/2007 5:42:16 AM PDT by PBRSTREETGANG (Apparently my former party considers me an "ugly nativist".)
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“Cafeteria Catholics” comes to mind. They pick and choose which things they want to embrace


8 posted on 07/10/2007 5:43:31 AM PDT by stm (Fred Thompson in 08! Return our country to the era of Reagan Conservatism)
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The Knights should tear off their epaulets and break their swords.


9 posted on 07/10/2007 5:44:19 AM PDT by AU72
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It is up to the diocese or the Church hierarchy to decide whether these lawmakers are no longer Catholic, Korten told LifeSiteNews.com. "We as laymen do not presume to decide whether other laymen are Catholics or not," he said.

But you can decide whether or not to kick someone out of the Knights. What's stopping you?

10 posted on 07/10/2007 5:45:33 AM PDT by wideawake
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KofC ping!


11 posted on 07/10/2007 5:45:51 AM PDT by markomalley (Extra ecclesiam nulla salus)
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I don’t care if they were Knights of Columbus or Knights of the Round Table,the fact is they effectively took away our right to decide with a vote the fundamental definition of marriage and that totally pissed me off !!!


13 posted on 07/10/2007 5:47:04 AM PDT by Obie Wan
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There is never any question that evil is in the world.

The only question is how do good men respond do it.

Ok Knights, the ball is in your court. What are you going to do?


14 posted on 07/10/2007 5:51:16 AM PDT by FormerLib (Sacrificing our land and our blood cannot buy protection from jihad.-Bishop Artemije of Kosovo)
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The KoC has a real opportunity here.

They can stand up and censure/eject those “members” who obviously don’t share their values, or they can suck it up and continue to reap PR advantage by having “nominal” members who are legislators.


15 posted on 07/10/2007 5:54:53 AM PDT by SJSAMPLE
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None of these politicians has been forced to run for elected office. No one is forced to belong to the Catholic Church. Both are free choices.

Belonging to the Catholic Church is a choice that involves personal commitments and beliefs. The doctrines of the Church are not optional.

Catholic politicians need to be able to reconcile their religion with their political positions. To do otherwise is blasphemy. If they are unable to reconcile their beliefs, the honest and decent thing to do would be to either leave politics or leave the Church.

16 posted on 07/10/2007 6:05:21 AM PDT by Senator_Blutarski (No good deed goes unpunished.)
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Hey, I’m sure this cuts both ways and it all balances out. For every Knight of Columbus who votes for abortion and/or same-sex “marriage”, there’s probably a legislator who belongs to the ACLU, NARAL, or GLAAD and votes conservative on those issues.

Yes, I’m being sarcastic. The thing is, no self-respecting conservative would stoop so low as to even pretend to agree with an abomination like NARAL to win an election. But the Knights are a wholesome, family organization, so plenty of politicians pay lip service, or even join, the group. It looks good on their resume when courting the votes of normal people.

Conservatives would feel they were crawling into the sleaziest gutter in town to join GLAAD, even as a pretence. We couldn’t live with ourself being so hypocritical. But to a “liberal” such double dealing is just a typical day’s work. It’s why politicians often turn out to be more “liberal” than expected, but never the opposite.


21 posted on 07/10/2007 6:39:48 AM PDT by puroresu
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Democrats are Democrats first, Catholics second. Actually, they are NOT Catholics. I wish they would become Anglicans/Episcopalians or something similar that condones all their cherry picking views about marriage, abortion, homosexuality, celibacy, etc.

Here’s something from the latest Crisis Magazine about Rick Santorum discussing life (when it starts) with Barbara Boxer, an (automatically) excommunicated Catholic...

“Santorum is the one guy who is willing to pull the trigger. Other people talk about it, but he does it.” The senator projected the power of this new pro-life offensive in a 1999 Senate debate on partial-birth abortion. There he dueled with Sen. Barbara Boxer (D-California), creating a dramatic moment of intense political theater:

Santorum: What we are talking about here with partial birth, as the senator from California knows, is a baby is in the process of being born—

Boxer: “The process of being born.” This is why this conversation makes no sense, because to me it is obvious when a baby is born. To you it isn’t obvious.

Santorum: Maybe you can make it obvious to me. So what you are suggesting is if the baby’s foot is still inside of the mother, that baby can then still be killed.

Boxer: No, I am not suggesting that in any way!

Santorum: I am asking.

Boxer: I am absolutely not suggesting that. You asked me a question, in essence, when the baby is born.

Santorum: I am asking you again. Can you answer that?

Boxer: I will answer the question when the baby is born. The baby is born when the baby is outside the mother’s body. The baby is born.

Santorum: . . . But, again, what you are suggesting is if the baby’s toe is inside the mother, you can, in fact, kill that baby.

Boxer: Absolutely not.

Santorum: OK. So if the baby’s toe is in, you can’t kill the baby. How about if the baby’s foot is in?

Boxer: You are the one who is making these statements.

Santorum: We are trying to draw a line here.

Boxer: I am not answering these questions! I am not answering these questions.

22 posted on 07/10/2007 6:56:39 AM PDT by detch
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The higher the Catholic population of a state, the higher the number of offices filled with Democrats.


23 posted on 07/10/2007 7:01:23 AM PDT by aimhigh
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Yes, it would be unreasonable to expect the Knights to expel pro abortion/homosexual advocates. It would offend too many Bishops, apparently.


24 posted on 07/10/2007 7:02:44 AM PDT by PAR35
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Dear markomalley,

“As for me, I think it’s about time the Knights change their by-laws for those knights who choose to enter public life!”

Sorry to disagree. Here’s the essential quote:

“’We as laymen do not presume to decide whether other laymen are Catholics or not,’ he said.”

As a past and current Grand Knight of my Council, I don’t have any interest in being the arbiter of the Catholicity of individual Catholic men in my Council.

It's an untenable situation for a layperson with absolutely no special competence in dealing with this issue.


sitetest

26 posted on 07/10/2007 7:10:58 AM PDT by sitetest (If Roe is not overturned, no unborn child will ever be protected in law.)
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Why the surprise?
Kerry, Kennedy et co. could all be Knights, couldn't they?
28 posted on 07/10/2007 7:27:29 AM PDT by Bainbridge
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