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Blissfully Uneducated(VICTOR DAVIS HANSON)
american.com ^ | July/August 2007 Issue | Victor Davis Hanson

Posted on 07/10/2007 6:31:26 AM PDT by kellynla

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To: Banjoguy

Sending your chldren to government (public) schools is flat out child abuse, absolutely no doubt about it.


61 posted on 07/18/2007 11:21:55 AM PDT by HamiltonJay
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To: rabscuttle385

all those links were IMO a GOOD way to assess schools and professors for leftist bias.


62 posted on 07/18/2007 11:24:05 AM PDT by dervish
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To: kittymyrib

“Suicide is one of the leading causes of death among US young adults. There is a reason for that.”

Yeah. The reason is that once you eliminate contagious disease, starvation, wild animal attack, and food poisoning, the only things left that kill young adults in large numbers are violence and accidents. And with modern medical trauma treatment available death rates due to accidents and non-self-inflicted violence are way down.

What does that leave?

Suicide.

It’s a feature, not a bug. Honest.


63 posted on 07/18/2007 11:28:05 AM PDT by No Truce With Kings (The opinions expressed are mine! Mine! MINE! All Mine!)
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To: dervish
Ah yes, that's what you mean. Yep, students will generally note publically on RateMyProfessors (and other course evaluation systems) if a professor or teaching assistant has a liberal bias.

LOL-I remember one graduate TA in a Department over in UVa.'s College of Arts & Sciences who was rated as "blazingly hot" but "hardcore liberal."

64 posted on 07/18/2007 11:37:40 AM PDT by rabscuttle385 (Sic Semper Tyrannis * U.Va. Engineering '09 * Friends Don't Let Friends Vote Democrat * Fred in 2008)
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To: HamiltonJay
Depends on the public school. You might get lucky if your child gets into a magnet school like TJHSST.

But, more generally, yes, public K-12 schools are terrible.

65 posted on 07/18/2007 11:39:08 AM PDT by rabscuttle385 (Sic Semper Tyrannis * U.Va. Engineering '09 * Friends Don't Let Friends Vote Democrat * Fred in 2008)
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To: rabscuttle385

Even magnet schools do not teach fundamentals such as US history, history of western civ, etc etc... Moral Relavatism is the order of the day in the public school system.

Yes some do better than others with reading, math and english, but don’t think for one minute they are teaching your kids fundamentals.


66 posted on 07/18/2007 11:41:48 AM PDT by HamiltonJay
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To: khnyny
“Those who fail to learn the lessons of history are destined to repeat them.” - Santayana

That is true, and I always, myself, try to distill some wisdom from pertinent history.

But, alas, I find Santayana's aphorism often encourages the morons (who are plentiful). Case in point, the recent immigration debate. How many times did you hear America's turn-of-the-century immigration experience invoked as precedent proving the wisdom of opening the border with a third-world country a century later under vastly different circumstances?

And, of course, the French famously built their Maginot Line to thwart Hitler, having "learned from history" how to protect themselves from German invasions.

History instructs, but, more often, it sends its students off half cocked, IMO.

67 posted on 07/18/2007 11:59:30 AM PDT by SergeiRachmaninov
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To: HamiltonJay
Then I must have gotten a great deal.

My seventh grade U.S. History teacher required us to memorize portions of the Declaration and Constitution, as well as parts of Lincoln's Gettysburg Address. She was part of the "old guard" of teachers.

My U.S. history teacher at TJHSST taught us facts and required us to write coherent papers. My U.S. Government teacher at the same school did the same, although he was one of those "moderates."

Maybe I am blessed...or maybe it's the fact that the public schools in Northern Virginia are not that bad, although moral relativism is slowly creeping in, in some places.

68 posted on 07/18/2007 11:59:49 AM PDT by rabscuttle385 (Sic Semper Tyrannis * U.Va. Engineering '09 * Friends Don't Let Friends Vote Democrat * Fred in 2008)
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To: rabscuttle385

Those old guard are retiring and dying... most of your new guard are post 60s educated moral relativists.

I highly doubt your old guard would have remotely imagined she’d have orders to teach kindergardeners homosexuality is normal.

When your child is in public school they are a WARD OF THE STATE for 6 to 8 hours a day, that’s the facts.


69 posted on 07/18/2007 12:02:35 PM PDT by HamiltonJay
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To: kellynla
Colleges lost their way in the 1960s, contends VICTOR DAVIS HANSON,

Colleges have not "lost their way" so much as their "way" was redirected.

Ignorance we can fix.

Semper Fi, sir.

70 posted on 07/18/2007 12:04:19 PM PDT by Designer (We actually know what causes ignorance nowadays.)
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To: No Truce With Kings
Yeah. The reason is that once you eliminate contagious disease, starvation, wild animal attack, and food poisoning, the only things left that kill young adults in large numbers are violence and accidents. And with modern medical trauma treatment available death rates due to accidents and non-self-inflicted violence are way down. What does that leave? Suicide.

Good post! Good demonstation how the first reaction that many of us would have to a factoid ("suicide now a leading cause of death!") is misguided. Truth can be subtle and elusive.

71 posted on 07/18/2007 12:05:32 PM PDT by SergeiRachmaninov
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To: HamiltonJay
I highly doubt your old guard would have remotely imagined she’d have orders to teach kindergardeners homosexuality is normal.

Ahh one of my best memories is the time she presciently predicted to a couple of us seventh-graders that Saddam would one day get booted out of power by the United States.

Yes, the old guard is fading away. 'Tis a pity; I had very good teachers during my elementary and middle school years in the 1990s, and TJHSST is a science and tech magnet school, so many of my teachers there, although not necessarily conservatives, emphasized facts, logic, and reason.

72 posted on 07/18/2007 12:11:05 PM PDT by rabscuttle385 (Sic Semper Tyrannis * U.Va. Engineering '09 * Friends Don't Let Friends Vote Democrat * Fred in 2008)
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To: NeoCaveman

King Lear - That an airplane, right? What did they have course’s on that for.


73 posted on 07/18/2007 12:16:37 PM PDT by ichabod1 ("Liberals read Karl Marx. Conservatives UNDERSTAND Karl Marx." Ronald Reagan)
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To: the anti-liberal

Went to your site.
I was encouraged at first, until I saw that their list of criteria for being a “college of character” included

“diversity education”,

which is pure garbage. There is no value in “diversity”, and as a matter of a recent study, it has actual detrimental effects on a community.


74 posted on 07/18/2007 12:17:44 PM PDT by MrB (You can't reason people out of a position that they didn't use reason to get into in the first place)
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To: SMARTY

No need to read buoks, we have the history channel.


75 posted on 07/18/2007 12:20:07 PM PDT by ichabod1 ("Liberals read Karl Marx. Conservatives UNDERSTAND Karl Marx." Ronald Reagan)
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To: kalee

We’re going to homeschool, and yes, we’re going to use a classical approach and teach Christian values.

The worry that I have now is, who do I entrust my kids to after they graduate (home) high school?


76 posted on 07/18/2007 12:24:00 PM PDT by MrB (You can't reason people out of a position that they didn't use reason to get into in the first place)
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To: ichabod1

The ‘History Chanel’ is history for people who don’t know anything about history.

And WAAAYYYY too many commercials. I almost never watch it anymore.


77 posted on 07/18/2007 12:33:36 PM PDT by SMARTY ("Stay together, pay the soldiers and forget everything else." Lucius Septimus Severus)
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To: MrB

There are some conservative colleges/universities out there,but there comes a point when you have to let go and have faith that you have instilled proper values and judgement in your young person having led them to always seek TRUTH.
I’m not advocating that we dump them into hotbeds of liberalism as a test to see if they sink or swim. On the other hand if we’ve done our job as parents to prepare them for the real world they should do well wherever they go. Even in those hotbeds they will be able to judge people and ideas that stand against TRUTH.


78 posted on 07/18/2007 12:36:04 PM PDT by kalee (The offenses we give, we write in the dust; Those we take, we write in marble. JHuett)
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To: yetidog

“Be very careful where your son or daughter matriculates.”

There are times when I truly miss Norm Crosby.


79 posted on 07/18/2007 12:53:11 PM PDT by Old Professer (The critic writes with rapier pen, dips it twice, and writes again.)
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To: rabscuttle385

First, they’re exclusive and under-represent the under-privileged; they also lead to higher rates of failure among the traditionally oppressed and contribute to the already high suicide rate among minority students; they are used by the rich and unnaturally gifted to segregate society by forming secret societies within the ranks of unprepared innocent newcomers who are shunned at every turn and slink back to the depths of the intellectual ghetto.

The course work should be made inclusive of all and degrees should be reserved for the non-totalitarian, empowering curricula.


80 posted on 07/18/2007 1:01:38 PM PDT by Old Professer (The critic writes with rapier pen, dips it twice, and writes again.)
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