[goldstategop]

Its not as far gone as San Francisco. People are learning what its like to live in a centrally planned utopia and are discovering they don't like it.

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus

[seacapn]

Well, the SF/San Jose metro region is barely growing anymore. The population growth rate from 2000 to 2006 was less than 2%. The Portland region’s growth rate in that same time period was over 10%, which puts it among the faster-growing regions of the US. I think Measure 36 and its associated land use reforms will help over time.

[Thud]

Portland is much, much more spread out than San Francisco and, in 1994, SF's Municipal Transit was also far more effective than Portland's mass transit. Purely from a transportation perspective, SF is better for families than Portland.

I'm not saying that SF is okay for families. I'm saying that Portland's transporation concept was nuts even by San Francisco standards.