Posted on 07/11/2007 3:40:02 AM PDT by liberallarry
It has been one of the central claims of those who challenge the idea that human activities are to blame for global warming. The planet's climate has long fluctuated, say the climate sceptics, and current warming is just part of that natural cycle - the result of variation in the sun's output and not carbon dioxide emissions.
But a new analysis of data on the sun's output in the last 25 years of the 20th century has firmly put the notion to rest. The data shows that even though the sun's activity has been decreasing since 1985, global temperatures have continued to rise at an accelerating rate.
(Excerpt) Read more at guardian.co.uk ...
Where did they say that?
“[O]n June 23, 1988, NASA scientist James Hansen testified before the House of Representatives that there was a strong ‘cause and effect relationship’ between observed temperatures and human emissions into the atmosphere,” the University of Virginia’s Pat Michaels testified in a 1998 congressional hearing.
“At that time,” Michaels noted, “Hansen also produced a model of the future behavior of the globe’s temperature,” a model “that global temperature between 1988 and 1997 would rise by 0.45°C.” Michaels then produced data showing “lower atmosphere temperatures” – a decline of 0.36 and 0.24 degrees Celsius when measured by weather balloon and satellite respectively.
In short, Michaels concluded, “The forecast made in 1988 was an astounding failure” and a 1990 United Nations climate change panel’s “statement about the realistic nature of these projections was simply wrong.”
More recently, Michaels, a senior fellow in environmental studies at the libertarian Cato Institute, assailed Hansen’s ocean temperature models, citing research from a federal government scientist.
“In the next few weeks, John Lyman of the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration will publish a paper in the refereed journal Geophysical Research Letters showing that, globally, the top 2,500 feet of the ocean lost a tremendous amount of heat between 2003 and 2005 – in fact, about 20% of all the heat gained in the last half-century,” wrote Michaels in an August 29 article.
Recently, the Business & Media Institute documented how Hansen was part of a stacked panel on climate change on CNBC’s September 24 program, “Global Players,” where he was labeled onscreen as the “world’s leading climate scientist.”
Hansen has been a media staple on climate change science at least since late January, when The New York Times asserted that Hansen, “The top climate scientist at NASA says the Bush administration has tried to stop him from speaking out.”
But as the Times reported, NASA officials denied trying to silence his scientific analysis while admitting they prefer scientists to stop short of making public policy statements, such as Hansen’s call for regulation to curb “greenhouse gases.”
What’s more according to that Times story, Hansen had little or no documentary evidence of a politically coordinated campaign to stifle his viewpoints.
ABC Reheats Leftover Bias on Global Warming, Showcases Hansen
I am given to understand, there is a University in Colorado that is still paying professor wages to Ward Churchill.
My furnace has nothing to do with how warm my house is in the winter either....
Pay for it yourself. Nobody's forcing you to post to this thread if you feel so strongly that it's worthless.
These "professionals" are claiming that they basically are able to model the global climate with their "data". They're asking us to just say "Ave Maria" and have faith.
No they're not. They're claiming that the data do not support claims that recent global warming is due to solar activity. In particular, that global warming in the last 20 years in exactly the opposite of what one would have expected from recent trends in solar activity.
Your bias is seriously interfering with your thinking.
So? Does that mean we should close the universities, that they have no value? I can show you plenty of crooked businessmen. Does that mean that business is worthless? And politics? Well, Churchill comes to mind here. That's the best that can be said of our system.
“or do you really believe that those who pay are complete fools, that centuries of experience and effort designed to identify talent and train those who possess it count for nothing?
(that’s a good barfer...baaaaaaaaaaarf, baaaaaaarf, baaaaaaaaarf.)
he is so brilliant. he must be the elite of the elite. it must be that he is a god or THE one, he is so filled with unlimited intelligence. my goodness, he must know everything about everyone and every aspect of the workings of the earth. monuments should be built to honor him/them. /sarcasm off/
(all hail the democrat party! all genuflect before the superior race which populates it! and above all,
Heil Hillary!!!)
That’s true. You’ll never get unanimity...on anything.
LMAO!!!
Now what would the sun have to do with the earth’s temperature?
HAHAhahahahaaaa..........!
yes! my thoughts as well....how can the earth’s temperature be measured to 1/10th a degree...impossible task
I like how they tried to explain away the ‘lag’ explanation...
‘Because nobody had mentioned it before’
What!!!!????? That’s not very scientific.
“There appears to be a solar “fingerprint” that can be detected in climatic time
series in other regions of the world, with each series having a unique lag time
between the solar signal and the hydroclimatic response.
A progression of increasing lag times can be spatially linked to the ocean
conveyor belt, which may transport the solar signal over a time span of
several decades.”
www.umweltluege.de/pdf/Gamma_Rays_and_Climate.pdf
If I understand this, if changes in the Sun happen today, it will not immediately change the Earth`s climate.
No! All it means is that a healthy sense of scepticism is needed when someone is Pi$$ing on your neck and trying to tell you it's raining.
“Thanks for that link. I’d lost the web site and had an argument with a lib who says all weather stations are correctly placed. I need that to set him straight. Believe me, he was probably glued to his TV all weekend watching Algore’s Lie (about) earth gore bull w0rming junk.” ~ Arrowhead
You’re welcome. Here’s more:
Send him the link to this “bombshell”:
Bombshell: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1862730/posts
If he is still in “denial”, his problems run a lot deeper than meets the eye. He has an emotionally immature _need_ to believe lies.
In that case send him this link where he may be psychoanalyzed by a pro:
Sunday, July 02, 2006
If Only Mustachiod Homophobic Terrorists Drove Gas-Guzzling SUVs into Buildings In San Francisco, The Left Would See the Threat - by Gagdad Bob
http://onecosmos.blogspot.com/search?q=gaia
Robert W.Godwin [Gagdad Bob], Ph.D is a clinical psychologist whose interdisciplinary work has focused on the relationship between contemporary psychoanalysis, chaos theory, and quantum physics. bttt
Your unquestioning faith in the objectivity of the scientific community is quite touching.
money can’t buy happiness, but it can put you in a better bargaining position.
money can’t buy happiness, but it can buy you a level of misery you can be happy with...
1 short term observation of 25 years does not a good analysis make.
Pretty lame.
Thanks you for playing.
Next.
Correctomundo. You can "prove" almost any absurd theory is correct if you tailor-make your own parameters for research and ignore all contradictory facts in order to get the result you want.
That's what the minority, yes minority, of the scientific community who say they believe that GW is real are doing to "prove" that the global warming "crisis" is what they feel it is and not what their scientifically trained minds must surely know it actually is. Namely, just another transitory manufactured crisis that will eventually run it's course and then move on to another dire emergency situation that demands modern civilization cease despoiling the planet with it's commercial endeavors and the concomitant rise in the world's overall standard of living.
The anti-everything-but-nature crowd won't be satisfied until we are all back to camping in cold damp caves and scrounging for nuts and berries, and even then they'll complain about how we're insulting Mother Gaia with our discarded seed husks and nutshells.
gargle, sputter, gag, choke....
That's right. If the sun blew up you would not be immediately fried.
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