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New analysis counters claims that solar activity is linked to global warming
Guardian (England) ^ | July 11, 2007 | James Randerson

Posted on 07/11/2007 3:40:02 AM PDT by liberallarry

It has been one of the central claims of those who challenge the idea that human activities are to blame for global warming. The planet's climate has long fluctuated, say the climate sceptics, and current warming is just part of that natural cycle - the result of variation in the sun's output and not carbon dioxide emissions.

But a new analysis of data on the sun's output in the last 25 years of the 20th century has firmly put the notion to rest. The data shows that even though the sun's activity has been decreasing since 1985, global temperatures have continued to rise at an accelerating rate.

(Excerpt) Read more at guardian.co.uk ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society
KEYWORDS: agw; globalwarming
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To: liberallarry

The reporters’ veracity has appeared to exceed that of these scientists.


81 posted on 07/11/2007 4:47:05 AM PDT by drlevy88
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To: expat_panama
We live in an age were we can get our own numbers, confirm them by taking our own measurements, and then do our own analysis.

No IPCC grant for you!

82 posted on 07/11/2007 4:47:18 AM PDT by agere_contra
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To: docbnj
long after the Industrial Revolution was under weigh.
On a diet? :>)
83 posted on 07/11/2007 4:49:07 AM PDT by oh8eleven (RVN '67-'68)
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To: liberallarry
The planet's climate has long fluctuated, say the climate sceptics

Have these idiots never heard of the ice ages?
84 posted on 07/11/2007 4:50:01 AM PDT by true_blue_texican (...against all enemies, foreign and domestic...)
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To: federal
I’m old enough to remember the “Global cooling” and “Population Explosion” which the scientist where so sure would end the world before the year 2000.

Me too.

I even questioned Erlich about his loss to Simon and his disagreement with his collegue Thomas Sowell. His response was that only his timing was wrong. An unpleasant character that Erlich...but I think he was correct.

As for global cooling and other scientific hypothesis which have been shown to be wrong...so what? If you're trying to say that all human knowledge is conditional and limited, you're right. If you're trying to say that science is always wrong, you're dead wrong.

85 posted on 07/11/2007 4:51:56 AM PDT by liberallarry
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To: true_blue_texican
Have these idiots never heard of the ice ages?

You mean scientists who study climate? Gee, I don't know. Maybe they don't read the same comic books you do. What do you think?

86 posted on 07/11/2007 4:55:14 AM PDT by liberallarry
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To: liberallarry

Well, it does look rather ridiculous for these slyentists to peer at this forest through a mere 25 year wide drinking straw.


87 posted on 07/11/2007 4:56:48 AM PDT by drlevy88
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To: drlevy88
The reporters’ veracity has appeared to exceed that of these scientists.

How so? Have you read the full report? I doubt it. I doubt you've even read the abstract.

88 posted on 07/11/2007 4:57:32 AM PDT by liberallarry
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To: liberallarry
If you're trying to say that science is always wrong, you're dead wrong.

Something we can all agree on. It's the poisoning of science with vast injections of government money that seems to be the problem.

89 posted on 07/11/2007 4:57:37 AM PDT by agere_contra
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To: drlevy88
Well, it does look rather ridiculous for these slyentists to peer at this forest through a mere 25 year wide drinking straw.

There's no limit to your foolishness, is there? They're pointing out that correlations which held over long periods of time in the past do not apply in the most recent 25 years.

90 posted on 07/11/2007 5:00:07 AM PDT by liberallarry
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To: liberallarry

Hmmm... No, liberallarry, I think you are confused as to which persons are relying on comic book thinking.


91 posted on 07/11/2007 5:00:13 AM PDT by true_blue_texican (...against all enemies, foreign and domestic...)
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To: liberallarry

“i’d hate to think so since your ability to reason is so poor.”

very strange. disagreement with a liberal brings condescension, denigration, insult. just like disagreeing with those fellows who broke all those windows so many years ago. (insufferable, global-warming goosesteppers, one and all, not to mention punks.)


92 posted on 07/11/2007 5:00:30 AM PDT by ripley
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To: agere_contra
It's the poisoning of science with vast injections of government money that seems to be the problem

Unfortunately, it costs a great deal of money to do modern experiments...there's no way around it.

93 posted on 07/11/2007 5:01:56 AM PDT by liberallarry
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To: agere_contra

D-—— if you do, d-—— if you don’t. Either that, or it seems to get hidden behind costly gates for the eyes of the elite (like this particular one). A field of study whose consequences are as profound as this deserves to happen in the public domain, where any Jane or Joe with Matlab or similar tool can crunch the equations and numbers and say either bravo or bunkum to the leading theories for themselves.


94 posted on 07/11/2007 5:02:46 AM PDT by drlevy88
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To: liberallarry

The tiny time period makes it impossible to answer the question of whether we are looking at a valid representative of a trend of centuries or a mere piece of noise.


95 posted on 07/11/2007 5:05:07 AM PDT by drlevy88
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To: ripley
very strange. disagreement with a liberal brings condescension, denigration, insult

You seem to be suffering from the same limitations as Levy, who began the denigration and insult (under the guise of wit). Look closely at my posts. I am not an equal opportunity insulter. I treat with respect those who deserve it...and they don't have to agree with me to deserve it, they just have to be capable of arguing well.

96 posted on 07/11/2007 5:05:33 AM PDT by liberallarry
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To: liberallarry
Perhaps I should have said agenda-driven Government money.
97 posted on 07/11/2007 5:05:34 AM PDT by agere_contra
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To: Matchett-PI

BINGO!

LLS


98 posted on 07/11/2007 5:05:52 AM PDT by LibLieSlayer (Support America, Kill terrorists, Destroy dims!)
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To: liberallarry

I just love to keep poking rabid wildcats with a stick.


99 posted on 07/11/2007 5:08:51 AM PDT by drlevy88
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To: agere_contra

Yummy graphs, contra, thanks. ;-)


100 posted on 07/11/2007 5:11:01 AM PDT by true_blue_texican (...against all enemies, foreign and domestic...)
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