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1 posted on 07/11/2007 7:59:25 AM PDT by hardback
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Thompson has to commit to the race. That is, he has to formally declare for the office, before Rudy goes away. That leaves us with Mitt, and I don’t think everyone is sold. I also don’t see a viable anti-Mitt in the 2nd tier that will catch fire in that event either. Fred has to replace Rudy for Rudy to away before any actual primaries start.
2 posted on 07/11/2007 8:02:21 AM PDT by .cnI redruM (Are we preparing to betray Iraq the same way we did Cambodia?)
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This doesn’t even begin to suggest the real reasons why McCain lost. It certainly wasn’t because he supported victory in Iraq. I notice that there is no mention of McCain Feingold or the McCain Kennedy amnesty bill, or old albatrosses hanging around his neck like the POW-MIA betrayal, because that might give leftist readers the wrong ideas.


4 posted on 07/11/2007 8:05:03 AM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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...one could only hope....


5 posted on 07/11/2007 8:05:08 AM PDT by xcamel ("It's Talk Thompson Time!" >> irc://irc.freenode.net/fredthompson)
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Giuliani not only peaked too early in the media, the confidence that the media peak instilled in him led him to adopt social positions that are primary suicide.

He is toast.

It will be Romney or Thompson.

6 posted on 07/11/2007 8:05:54 AM PDT by wideawake
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I believe this story is way off base. (consider the source)! Rudy doesn’t seem to have any of the results that McCain is showing. Rudy is a proven leader...McCain tried to show leadership in his speeches, but you can’t do that after having betrayed your base (where the money is).


7 posted on 07/11/2007 8:05:59 AM PDT by cousair
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Unspoken is McCain’s sleeping with the enemy on issues like the amnesty bill and his signature abomination, McCain-Feingold. It is not the appearance of flip-flopping, it is an inescapable record that no amount of media protection can overcome. There are many similarities between John and Rudy, including their strong national defense credentials. However, they are also similar on the social side and that will prove to be as detrimental to Rudy as it was to John.


8 posted on 07/11/2007 8:06:17 AM PDT by NonValueAdded (Brian J. Marotta, 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub, (1948-2007) Rest In Peace, our FRiend)
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Never mentioned Immigration.


11 posted on 07/11/2007 8:08:39 AM PDT by Uncle Miltie (Confidence in Congress has hit an all-time low of 14%)
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The writer of this Seattle Post article is a big time liberal. Sounds to me like Rudy worries him.


17 posted on 07/11/2007 8:14:13 AM PDT by Old Retired Army Guy
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Mr. Electable (Giuliani) has map-changing capabilities that no other Republican would dare claim.

Why claim them if it means voting for someone who stands for so many things conservatives are against? GWB showed a path to victory that included neither New York nor California.

21 posted on 07/11/2007 8:22:51 AM PDT by Colonel_Flagg (Fred.)
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Giuliani is associated with the Trans-Texas Corridor, right?


22 posted on 07/11/2007 8:24:23 AM PDT by RightWhale (It's Brecht's donkey, not mine)
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McCain realized he’d need social conservatives if he wanted the ‘08 nomination and he strongly courted them this time around. The plan backfired

Courtesy Comment:

Senor McCaniac the MSM is afraid that you went against 80 plus percent of the voters in America and expected to get elected.

That is the 80 percent against Shamnesty.

Seeing you have relations with that ole Devil Murdering Ted Kennedy finally did you in for me.

Of course Johnny boy it did not help that you said most of my friends and me are bigots, arrogant and ignorant.

24 posted on 07/11/2007 8:29:26 AM PDT by OKIEDOC (Kalifornia, a red state wannabe. I don't take Ex Lax I just read the New York Times.)
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Good news day-------

....... while everyone's been obsessing over how low John McCain will go, it's Giuliani who has seen his national numbers cut in half since April, and his leads in Iowa and New Hampshire erased by Romney. Does Rudy Inc. realize that the window is closing on his own ability to define his biography? Get some paid media up soon, Mr. Mayor............

Oh, and speaking of paid media------may I suggest Mr Mayor, that you have your wife Judi pose with you in TV ad clips------a pose with Judy and her little puppy against the backdrop of the WH Cabinet Room would be nice (snicker).

26 posted on 07/11/2007 8:32:35 AM PDT by Liz (It is dangerous to be right when the government is wrong. Voltaire)
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I was at a Giuliani fundraiser a few weeks ago and I have to say that he was pretty impressive. He was getting some tough questions and handling them pretty well. For example, when he asked about the Fatah/Hamas situation, his answer was approximately as follows:

“I think we need to start by reaching out to Fatah and seeing if they can contain Hamas and keep the peace. Now I think that has only about a 30 to 40 percent chance of working, but we have to try, if only for the sake of international appearances. If that doesn’t work, we need to look into cutting off aid. We need to cut off all aid to Gaza, since Hamas controls that area. It’s sad, considering the humanintarian problems that would cause, but we can’t be underwriting a terrorist organization.”

I voted for Bush twice, but Giuliani just seems more well-read, able to think better on his feet, and a more able executive.

As for the objections to Giuliani:

1. He’s a gun-grabber.

His record on guns isn’t good, but he was also appeasing a very left-wing city. Why on earth would a Republican president alienate his base and try to grab guns? I just don’t see any realistic scenario for this happening.

2. He’s pro-amnesty.

I have little hope that any president will get the support of Congress to deport 12 million aliens. I’ll take Giuliani’s promise to build a wall.

3. He’s pro-choice.

The last three Republican presidents were pro-life, and we still get thousands of abortions a day. No matter who is elected in 2008, abortions will still be happening in 2008. Abortions will stop when people stop having them.

4. He’s worn a dress on television and has gay friends.

Criticisms like this seem to amount to “he’s not one of us”, but I hear a strain of tribalism in such thinking. Giuliani is a secular urbanite, not a rural religious conservative like Bush. His attitudes are a bit different, but we have to think of the big picture. Giuliani has shown he knows how to be an executive.

Full disclosure: I’m not on Giuliani’s staff and have taken no money from him.


33 posted on 07/11/2007 8:40:08 AM PDT by Our man in washington
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This article does not mention the single most important factor: McCain’s support for Bush’s immigration proposal. I respect McCain because he has principles, but it just so happens that those principles, at least on immigration, are in diametric opposition to the Republican base.


40 posted on 07/11/2007 8:54:33 AM PDT by Zack Nguyen
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McCain's Campaign Crumbles, Is Giuliani Next?

Yup.

43 posted on 07/11/2007 8:59:38 AM PDT by EternalVigilance (The Reagan Platform: Unborn babies are PERSONS, and therefore are protected by the 14th Amendment)
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—Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., is down and nearly out in his quest for the GOP presidential nomination.—

But that doesn’t rule out a run as a Spoiler Independent...


45 posted on 07/11/2007 9:01:12 AM PDT by rfp1234 (Nothing is better than eternal happiness. A ham sandwich is better than nothing. Therefore...)
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I think that headline is wishful thinking on the part of some left leaning journalist.


47 posted on 07/11/2007 9:03:29 AM PDT by wolfinator
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McCain realized he'd need social conservatives if he wanted the '08 nomination and he strongly courted them this time around.

Only in the Bizarro World of the Seattle Post could a flagrant, in-your-face-so-EAT-it-damn-you attempt to cede sovereignty of this nation's borders to Mexico conceivably qualify as "strongly courting" social conservatives.

Cripes.

50 posted on 07/11/2007 9:06:50 AM PDT by KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle ("Proudly keeping one iron boot on the necks of libertarian faux 'conservatives' since 1958!")
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Giuliani who?


57 posted on 07/11/2007 9:22:52 AM PDT by Kevmo (We need to get away from the Kennedy Wing of the Republican Party ~Duncan Hunter)
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First off, McCain was never ‘the front runner’.

Second, Guiliani was in fact ‘the front runner’ and given the history of those that were designated as such, his odds grow slimmer with each passing day. The bottom line remains the same with Rudy, his anti gun, pro abortion, pro gay rights stances make it impossible for him to gain the nomination as President. Vice President - maybe. But not the top of the ticket.

I suspect this race is now all about Fred Thompson v Mitt Romney. Thompson’s done a good job of lowering expectations from just a month ago, which was deftly done in my opinion. Now we will see when he gets around to announcing formally what happens. Again, in my opinion, his strategy to ignore this ‘new conventional wisdom’ about starting the campaign a year early seems to be paying off big time. He’ll pick up the McCain financial supporters, and the Rudy supporters that aren’t in reality moderate Democrats when he comes out for the job.

Duncan Hunter....a long shot for VP is his fate. Its not due to his positions, many of which I fully support. He just doesn’t give a ‘spark’ to anyone that isn’t already in his corner.

On the democrats side....they’ve got a major problem. Nobody likes Hillary Clinton beyond the brain dead straight ticket types in the Dem party. The far left is furious with her, the Dem old boy/girl network despises her and her husband and they understand she can’t overcome the historical high negative number she brings to the table. Toss onto that heap the history of seated Senators running, and a general feeling that we’ve had enough of political dynasties, be it the Bush’s or the Clinton’s, and she has no chance of winning a general election, and I still don’t think she’ll actually show up for the primaries. She seems annoyed she even has to go through the process....(chuckle)

We’ll see. Right now, I like the GOP’s odds in the race for the Whitehouse and regaining the Senate. The House...doubt that will result in more than a possible small gain of seats.


67 posted on 07/11/2007 10:00:50 AM PDT by Badeye (You know its a kook site when they ban the word 'kook')
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