Many conservatives have stood up to the media AND liberals
only to find that Pres. Bush has a new base, consisting of Democrats and Sen. Kennedy.
Posted on 07/13/2007 5:15:02 AM PDT by Kaslin
When you push so ferociously against those who voted for you while defending great statesmen such as Ted Kennedy, there is a problem.
I believed in the Iraq war and still want to win it, but I question Bush's desire to really win it. I also question his motives now. When 7,000 Iraqis are coming to live in America after 3,000 Americans went to Iraq and gave their life so those 7,000 could be free, I have a real problem with that.
Its not that Conservatives don't want to win, its that we no longer trust Bush's motives and loyalty.
Absolutely disgusting bud! - We have warriors risking their lives 24/7 down range in Iraq - Fighting four your NS, in some of the most difficult conditions on this earth.
You didn't agree with the POTUS on the 30yr in the making problem of immigration....Fine....So be it. The base won that argument for now.
Now it is time to grow up (stop being an emotional fool over one issue) and guard the flanks of those warriors who are down range from the DEM Congress / MSM.
Our warriors down range DID NOT set WH immigration policy! But they sure as hell paid for it in 06 (when the GOP base stayed home and left them out to dry over a domestic issue). And they will pay for it even more if our base does not cowboy the fk up and support our CinC during this time.
If our base (people like you) do not stand up and support this CinC at the current time. Support Iraq and us seeing this mission through.....By keeping the intensity on Washington D.C. By demanding GOP representatives stand behind our warriors down range (via phone calls, emails, whatever the hell it takes)......well then, our base is of no better ilk then the DEM left (just different politics). Shameful if that comes to pass.
Bush may be a good and decent man who believes he’s right, but that isn’t a cause to abandon him as a leader. He’s no Moses. Moses led his people into - AND OUT OF - the desert. Bush led us into the desrt and left us.
IMO, that’s not a reason to stick with him. It’s more than just his bad policies - MUCH more!! I respect him for not leading on the basis of the latest poll or focus group opinion (unlike his predecessor) and for the tax cuts and the prosecution of the GWOT. But that’s about as far as I can go. He hasn’t earned my respect beyond that.
See post #22
Oh, except for giving the Phelps cult huge chunks of his air time?
Well, given those 3 options, I'm going with stupid. I was a BIG TIME GWB supporter, a real Kool-Aid drinker. But the amnesty BS turned me --for good. The country club ‘pubies & GWB still don’t realize what they’ve done to the party.
We won’t forget and move on.
Then support a real conservative and ditch the RINOs.
Bush needs to do SOMETHING CONSERVATIVE to reach Conservatives.
Did R. Reagan when he pushed through full amnesty (with no requirements) when he had a LARGE majority of Republicans in the Senate to boot? Did RR when he flip-flopped and not only abandoned the idea of private accounts but raised FICA taxes on all American's (thus burdening an entire other generation to the largest wealth stealing scheme known to man).
Did RR when he cut-n-ran from Beirut (after putting those warriors there in harms way). Did RR when he appointed the terrible SDO to the SCOUTS simply because she was a women and it was the PC thing to do?? Did you excuse R.R of losing our large majority in the Senate in 86 because he "wasn't a leader" or a "true conservative".
The standards that are held to POTUS/CinC GWB are simply tremendous and were not held to others prior.
Before I start, other Bush haters here on FR call me a “newbie” because I don’t have internet longevity. I’ll get that out of the way.
For those of you claiming to not support Bush now, even though you elected him twice, which exact policy of his has changed? Bush isn’t flipping and flopping all over the place. His policies have remained the same since he first ran for President. The ones that have changed are you, the psuedo convervatives who don’t have the patience of a three year old. Bush was SO right yesterday during his news conference.
So, Hydroschock, name THE policy of Bush’s that has changed. THE changed policy that has caused you to no longer support him. THE policy that you obviously agreed with when you voted to elect him twice that has changed so drastically. And, please, specifics.
If, as I suspect, your response and the others who will jump on the bashing bandwagon chime in with “immigration”, you better take a long hard look AT Bush’s stance on immigration in 2000 and 2004. It has changed how? It was so important to most of you that it wasn’t even mentioned as anything other than an afterthought.
What I suspect is one of two things. Those of you bashing Bush just don’t have the guts to actually stand up to the media and liberals who are interchangeable, or you were never Bush voters in the first place.
I’m not real sure he wants to win the damned thing. There are ways to win war. The surge needs time to work but whats next? 10,000 Iraqi refugees while another 1,000 American soldiers die but those fleeing Iraqis won’t stay and fight for their homeland?
Mr. York is wrong, of course.
We didn't throw him under the bus.
He jumped.
If he wants back on the sidewalk, he should abandon the amnesty crap, secure the border, and make bloody sure the word gets out wbout what is going right in Iraq, (before the media wins the war for Al-Qaida--who would stone that pack of stupid faggots in a heartbeat).
Being a good and decent man is just great. I don’t know about his personal life so can’t make a judgement on that. Giving Africa 15 billions dollars for aids might be generous, but I doubt if it will do any good or will be of any benefit to America. I’d like a president who does the will of the American people and does wha is in the best interest of the American people. He failed us on illegals and is still failing on border security. The current bag of top candidates is not good. The rulers have lost touch with the ruled. conservatives are not lining up with democrats. They’re lining up with Conservatives. President Bush has abandoned conservatives too many times.
I will say, however, that wars are political. Certainly since Vietnam. If the president does not tend adequately to the political side of the war, he opens himself to Walter Cronkite going on TV after we won Tet and declaring that we've lost the war. After that, it's all downhill and the soldiers have died for nothing. I don't want to see that happen again.
I think that President Bush will make headway on the political side of the war, and thus headway on the military side of the war, if he tends to his base a little more than he has done so.
I meant no offense to the troops.
Many conservatives have stood up to the media AND liberals
only to find that Pres. Bush has a new base, consisting of Democrats and Sen. Kennedy.
Baloney.
I’ve never abandoned him as some of the rest of you have.
And thank you for not answering the question.
I’ll ask again. What policy of Bush’s (specifics, please) has changed?
Or has weakness set in? Not Bush’s, yours?
The author of this article fails to mention the link between the need to control our borders and national security. Bush undermines his own case for the need for us to be in Iraq while almost 6 years after 9/11 doing little to secure our borders and implementing fully the US Visit Program that was passed in 1996.
If/when this country is struck again with another 9/11 attack and it is found that the perpetrators either came across our southern border illegally or were on legal visas and overstayed them, as did four of the 19 9/11 hijackers, who will be held accountable? George Bush.
Being a good and decent man is just great. I don’t know about his personal life so can’t make a judgement on that. Giving Africa 15 billions dollars for aids might be generous, but I doubt if it will do any good or will be of any benefit to America. I’d like a president who does the will of the American people and does what is in the best interest of the American people. He failed us on illegals and is still failing on border security. The current bag of top candidates is not good. The rulers have lost touch with the ruled. Conservatives are not lining up with democrats. They’re lining up with Conservatives. President Bush has abandoned conservatives too many times.
Good,thoughtful post. Many of us conservatives voted for GWB - both times - because the alternative was too awful to comprehend, IOW we held our noses when we voted. Now we must take the initiative in the primaries to ensure a TRUE conservative (not a ‘compassionate conservative’) gets the chance to run for the highest office in the land. I don’t want to have to hold my nose to vote again.
Conservatives haven’t abandoned Bush. Radicals have. Conservatives are not radicals.
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