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Marine's attorneys assert executed Iraqi was insurgent
S D UNION ^ | July 13, 2007 | Rick Rogers

Posted on 07/13/2007 7:08:02 PM PDT by radar101

DON KOHLBAUER / Union-Tribune Marine Cpl. Trent D. Thomas (right) walks to the courtroom at Camp Pendleton earlier this week during his court-martial proceedings. He is accompanied by military defense counsel Maj. Dale Saran

CAMP PENDLETON – The Iraqi that Marine Cpl. Trent Thomas helped to kidnap and kill is hardly the innocent victim that prosecutors have described, Thomas' attorneys said Friday.

Marine investigators didn't even get the dead man's name right, Thomas' defense team said during the fifth day of his court-martial at Camp Pendleton. “We believe the person killed was extremely likely to be an insurgent,” attorney Melissa Epstein told military judge Lt. Col. David M. Jones. “At a minimum, this would be tremendous at sentencing” if Thomas is convicted.

For months, prosecutors have said Thomas and seven other Camp Pendleton servicemen executed Hashim Ibrahim Awad. But now, they have taken Awad's name off the charge sheet for Thomas and replaced it with “an unknown Iraqi.”

The lead prosecutor, Lt. Col. John Baker, said he has DNA and other evidence proving that Awad was the person killed.

Jones has not ruled on which version of events can be admitted as evidence.

Thomas has acknowledged that he helped snatch and shoot the Iraqi man on April 26, 2006. But he said Sgt. Lawrence Hutchins, the leader of his unit, gave him lawful orders to do so.

If the defense team's latest assertions are true, they could “color the proceedings,” said Eugene R. Fidell, a noted military defense attorney in Washington, D.C.

For example, jurors – especially those who are combat veterans – might sympathize more with Thomas if they think he went after a suspected enemy combatant instead of Awad, a disabled grandfather.

However, Fidell said, “the law does not allow summary execution. I have quite a lot of respect for the willingness of military juries to call them as they seem them.”

Thomas and the other seven defendants are from Kilo Company, 3rd Battalion, 5th Marine Regiment. Five of them have signed plea agreements with the military, pledging to testify against the remaining defendants in exchange for shorter prison sentences.

Those five servicemen said their squad planned to capture and execute an insurgent named Saleh Gowad. Marines had captured Gowad several times, but Iraqi authorities would always let him go afterward.

When the Marines couldn't find Gowad on April 26, 2006, they went next door and grabbed a man who was sleeping, according to previous testimony and court records. Until Friday, that man was depicted as Awad, a 52-year-old former police officer who walked with a limp.

The squad bound the man and forced him into a shallow hole, where they shot him to death, five of the defendants have testified. Prosecutors said the unit then tried to disguise its crime as self-defense against an Iraqi who started a firefight when he was discovered planting a roadside bomb.

On Thursday, a Navy corner testified that at least 11 shots struck the Iraqi man's body.

A day later, Epstein said the man was not Awad but Hashem Gowad, cousin of Saleh Gowad and also a suspected insurgent. Epstein said the military waited until 11 days ago to give her team some documents suggesting the identification problem.


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Government; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: courtmartial; defendourmarines; haditha; hamdania; iraq; marines; pendleton; trentthomas
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1 posted on 07/13/2007 7:08:02 PM PDT by radar101
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To: radar101

Are you suggezsting taht the government is steamrolling an enlisted man and trying to hang out a few soldiers?


2 posted on 07/13/2007 7:13:07 PM PDT by rmlew (Build a wall, attrit the illegals, end the anchor babies, Americanize Immigrants)
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To: RedRover

Ping.

I had Cpl Thomas confused with somebody else.


3 posted on 07/13/2007 7:13:13 PM PDT by lilycicero (If God didn't want us to eat animals, he wouldn't have made them out of meat.)
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To: Girlene; pinkpanther111; freema

Girl ping.


4 posted on 07/13/2007 7:14:43 PM PDT by lilycicero (If God didn't want us to eat animals, he wouldn't have made them out of meat.)
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To: radar101; lilycicero; freema; RaceBannon; NormsRevenge; Girlene; jazusamo; 4woodenboats
For example, jurors – especially those who are combat veterans – might sympathize more with Thomas if they think he went after a suspected enemy combatant instead of Awad, a disabled grandfather.

This is major. For months, the media has reported the "victim" of the Hamdania Marines as kindly old gramps, the lovable neighborhood coot.

Now they didn't shoot Awad after all. (Race has been saying this for months.)

NCIS strikes again.

5 posted on 07/13/2007 7:29:06 PM PDT by RedRover (If God didn't want men to....uh...love women He wouldn't have made them out of sugar.)
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To: RedRover; lilycicero; RaceBannon; radar101

This makes a lot more sense. My gut was they didn’t have Awad. He was supposed to have a metal bar in his leg, which didn’t show up as far as I know in the autopsy results. It’s kind of hard to miss a metal bar in an autopsy. Duh.

Who says they didn’t get Saleh Gowad, the main IED guy? Has anybody seen him lately in Hamdania?


6 posted on 07/13/2007 7:35:39 PM PDT by Girlene (NEWSMAX Rocks for the Haditha Marines!!!)
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To: RedRover

That’s why I pinged you. I didn’t know one Wad from the other.
*THANKS*


7 posted on 07/13/2007 7:35:57 PM PDT by lilycicero (If God didn't want us to eat animals, he wouldn't have made them out of meat.)
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To: RedRover
Epstein said the military waited until 11 days ago to give her team some documents suggesting the identification problem.

Sounds really major to me. I haven't followed this case very close but it's been going on for months, so what's this 11 day thing?

It also sounds like typical type NCIS BS. These guys are facing life in prison and they don't turn info like this over till the last minute? Unfrikin believable!

8 posted on 07/13/2007 7:45:56 PM PDT by jazusamo (DefendOurMarines.com)
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To: rmlew
The prosecutors didn’t want us to know that the Marines killed a known terrorist.
9 posted on 07/13/2007 8:00:07 PM PDT by peeps36 (OUTLAWED WORDS--INSURGENT,GLOBAL WARMING,UNDOCUMENTED WORKER,PALESTINIAN,TERMINATED PREGNANCY)
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To: jazusamo; RedRover; lilycicero; RaceBannon; freema
A day later, Epstein said the man was not Awad but Hashem Gowad, cousin of Saleh Gowad and also a suspected insurgent. Epstein said the military waited until 11 days ago to give her team some documents suggesting the identification problem.

So can the military get back their money they paid to the wrong dead Iraqi? Where is Hashim Ibrahim Awad, the "elderly, disabled grandfather [formerly a Sadamm policeman]?

How can they put any of these guys away for anything when they don't know who was killed? BTW, did they ever find the head of the corpse that was supposdely not attached to the corpse that was autopsied?

This is RIDICULOUS!!!! What the heck is NCIS doing?!!!!!
10 posted on 07/13/2007 8:04:01 PM PDT by Girlene (NEWSMAX Rocks for the Haditha Marines!!!)
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To: Girlene

All good questions and it is really ridiculous. This sounds like something in a B movie plot, not something that’s happening in our military justice system. These guys should be cut loose NOW!


11 posted on 07/13/2007 8:13:26 PM PDT by jazusamo (DefendOurMarines.com)
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To: Girlene

Somebody pay the cable bill. NCIS needs to watch CSI.


12 posted on 07/13/2007 8:16:07 PM PDT by lilycicero (You can't play head, shoulders, knees and toes without a head.)
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To: lilycicero

The real NCIS needs to watch the fake NCIS on TV to see how it is supposed to work.


13 posted on 07/13/2007 8:35:47 PM PDT by Girlene (NEWSMAX Rocks for the Haditha Marines!!!)
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To: Girlene; jazusamo; lilycicero; terrypen

Wonder what this could mean for Rob Pennington? Sounds like his plea deal was made when prosecutors had false information.


14 posted on 07/13/2007 8:48:44 PM PDT by RedRover (DefendOurMarines.com)
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To: radar101
Those five servicemen said their squad planned to capture and execute an insurgent named Saleh Gowad. Marines had captured Gowad several times, but Iraqi authorities would always let him go afterward.

I certainly hope that by now, our forces know better than to hand over anybody to the Iraqis alive.

15 posted on 07/13/2007 8:55:56 PM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: RedRover
Yeah, turns out the guy might very likely was a terr. Go figure, Marines killing terrorists. Well we can't have that!

Now, he walked with a limp. Yesterday he was crippled. I walk with a limp but I'm no a cripple. Which is it? Oh, that's right 'crippled' makes the dead jihadi more sympathetic. Sorta like the 4 brothers in haditha, "executed" while packing for a family outing.

My Dad was in the Phillipines during the huk/commie rebellion following WWII. ANY terrorists found in civilian clothing were executed.

16 posted on 07/13/2007 9:34:10 PM PDT by Eagles6
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To: Girlene
"This is RIDICULOUS!!!! What the heck is NCIS doing?!!!!!"

It appears that they are trying to compete with amtrak. It'd be funny if it wasn't so sick.

17 posted on 07/13/2007 9:36:56 PM PDT by Eagles6
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To: radar101

from the comments section ....

****Thats stupid Most of the military women/men I know say when they came back from a tour over there we are there for oil and its unwinable. ****

Yup! Riggggggghhhhttttt!!!!

Most Iraq vets “tell her this”! You bet. Like she would even talk to a real serviceman. She would most likely spit on him!


18 posted on 07/13/2007 9:53:23 PM PDT by Mtner77
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To: Eagles6; RedRover; lilycicero
November, 2006

“They killed a 52-year-old crippled man in cold blood,” Lt. Col. John Baker, a prosecutor, said during a recent hearing. “They killed a retired police officer with 11 children and four grandchildren. Hashim Awad was a very forgiving and gentle man. He was precisely the kind of man (the Marines were) sent to help.”

July, 2007

Epstein said the man was not Awad but Hashem Gowad, cousin of Saleh Gowad and also a suspected insurgent. Epstein said the military waited until 11 days ago to give her team some documents suggesting the identification problem.

I wonder how Lt. Col. John Baker would describe Hashem Gowad, suspected insurgent. Maybe Hashem Gowad loves puppies and cute kittens. Or maybe, he was just the kind of man (the Marines were} sent to kill.
19 posted on 07/14/2007 7:08:59 AM PDT by Girlene (Saleh, Hashem, Ibrahim - Yeah, it was one of those guys)
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To: Girlene
I vote for: Or maybe, he was just the kind of man (the Marines were} sent to kill.

I detect something new about you.

20 posted on 07/14/2007 7:30:39 AM PDT by lilycicero (Your tagline....good one!)
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