Posted on 07/16/2007 12:48:20 PM PDT by CedarDave
Grab TGGWS while you can. It may not stay up there too long.
Hmmm...
My standard reply here in Southern Wisconsin is: Maybe you can explain why the glaciers melted 10,000 years ago from right where we are standing. Huh? Sir? Dinasour gas?
You could remind them that “Greenland” got its name because it was once green.
I wonder what Eckhart’s screenname is over at Kos.
You can comment here as well ...
http://irrationaloptimism.blogspot.com/2007/07/it-is-my-intention-to-destroy-your.html
Marlo Lewis’ column (found here http://www.spectator.org/dsp_article.asp?art_id=11702 ) made very reasonable and fact-based points about what the right tradeoffs between economic growth and CO2 limits are. Including an MIT Study that basically concludes that CO2 cap-and-trade doesnt work!
He concludes RIGHTLY that “Regulatory climate strategies put the policy cart before the technology horse. Not until markets are capable of producing vast quantities of affordable energy without emissions would it be reasonable for Congress to consider mandatory emission cuts.”
Totally true... we should focus on creating energy with low emissions *NOT* on economy-stifling caps on CO2 ... Now, there is a cost-effective method to reduce our CO2 generation by half or more: USE NUCLEAR POWER. By adopting nuclear power for 80% of our electricity generation, the 40% of CO2 from that source (most from coal) could be reduced to nothing. WE can further reduce
CO2 by displacing some of the fossil fuel use in transportation and heating with nuclear-derived electricity.
Why is it so bad to point out that Kyoto-type limits have failed?
If you care about the environment, wouldnt you want to know that cap-and-trade is a sham that wont deliver the goods?
Why the violent reaction from alarmists over this debate? It’s not conservatives, but the AGW alarmists who are over-emotional about it. The silencing of global warming skeptics is all about the stifling the truth of that skepticism. Al Gore lies and claims that sea level will rise 20 feet. what do we do? We should shut up the skeptics who point out the virtual impossibility of this scenario, the fact that even IPCC estimates are around 1/10th of this; and we show this phony propaganda to high school kids. This nonsense is the “Reefer Madness” of our era - cheap phony propaganda.
Yes, Mr Eckharts is compromised: He stands to make millions off the scam of Government spending billions on ‘renewables’ ...
“He also works through Solar International Management, Inc. on the financing of solar energy (SolarBank), and on the development of a new international debt security called Global Development Bonds (GDB) for the financing of sustainable development in the developing countries. “
He will make millions by getting the Government to fund his schemes. His schemes rely on the emissions limits and ‘cap-and-trade’ THAT DON’T WORK. No wonder he flipped out. Anyone who doesn’t consider that to be a biased and compromised position is naive fool.
If you believe that it is human caused, then the most obvious solution is to eliminate a goodly percentage of the problem causers. Rather than freezing to death in the winter and roasting in the summer, I advocated war and pestilence.
The nuclear power industry employs mostly well-paid English speaking male conservative engineers with above average intelligence. Half the country will never agree to nuclear power because of that.
I wonder why China doesn't take the nuclear power lead. They have cheap engineers and few lawyers. We should help them design and try out new nuclear technologies. If they have a nuclear meltdown it won't be on our side of the planet.
Oh yes, Greenland was once green! I’ll add that to my clever retort. Course it never does any good. The girl who works at the coffee shop always says “But that’s what the scientists say”
On another note, what ever happened to the "if we don't save the rain forests, we're all gonna die" movement?
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If, in a debate, there is uncontrollable incoherent anger, you can pretty much assume, with near certainty, that someone is debating faith, not science.
(Unsaid....) And Mr Eckhart will make millions (personally) and control billions more (economically through power and political prestige in a democratic executive office) by promoting the religion of international global warming socialism .....
HIS BIO: Michael Eckhart is President of the American Council On Renewable Energy (ACORE), co-chairman of the World Council for Renewable Energy (WCRE), and a member of the Steering Committee of the REN 21 global policy network. Since its formation in 2001, ACORE has grown to have over 400 organizational members; producing three major national conferences per year on renewable energy business, finance and policy; and participating in international renewable energy policy affairs. Mr. Eckhart is a member of the Clinton Global Initiative. He also works through Solar International Management, Inc. on the financing of solar energy (SolarBank), and on the development of a new international debt security called Global Development Bonds (GDB) for the financing of sustainable development in the developing countries. He has over 25 years of experience in renewable energy, power generation, high technology, and finance. Previously, he was CEO of the IPP development firm United Power Systems, Inc.; Vice President of the venture capital firm Areté Ventures, Inc.; Manager of Strategic Planning for the Power Systems Sector of General Electric Company; and a Principal of Booz, Allen & Hamilton’s energy practice. He served in the US Navy Submarine Service. He received a BS in Electrical Engineering from Purdue University and an MBA from Harvard Business School.
HOLY CRAP! If I ever saw a resume that SCREAMS “I plan on making a boatload of money off of the Global Warming Scam” it is this guys. What a schmuck. may the fleas of a thousand camels infest his armpits.
Ugh... I used to work for GE Power Systems, back when coal and nuclear plants were the thing and NOBODY that high up would have been an enviro-whacko (at least openly).
It looks like the GE I knew is no more.... < /heavy sigh >
Whatever happened to, "You have no right to impose your belief system on others who don't share it"........."freedom of religion".....and all that.
I say any such threats as this should be countered with lawsuits, publicity, and massive resentment about "forcing this belief on those who don't share it".
Where is the ACLU! I am a Global Warming atheist and I demand to be protected from these "GW Thugs" who want to impose their morality on me and on this nation and on this world!
“The nuclear power industry employs mostly well-paid English speaking male conservative engineers with above average intelligence. Half the country will never agree to nuclear power because of that.”
LOL. God forbid the kind of guys who put a man on the moon advocate for our future ...
Polls on nuclear power show about 65-70% support. some of the more rational environmentalists are jumping on the bandwagon.
” I wonder why China doesn’t take the nuclear power lead.”
FWIW, China is building more new nuclear plants than the US.
The main building boom for nuclear power is in Asia.
There is no more enthusiastic inquisitor in the modern world than the liberal scientist.
The Japanese, who generally favor quality, have been having nuclear accidents and trying to hide them. I wonder how China will do with their preference for cheap. At least they are far away from us.
About the only way nuclear power could be financially viable in America at this time is if the plants were made offshore on wheels for an "undisclosed buyer", then shipped in real quick to a surprise location and turned on. The 20 years it takes to build a nuclear plant in this country is too target rich for our lawyers.
Nuclear power is very cost-effective once it is built.
The reasons that nuclear power took long to get built was due to a combination of Govt changing regs on the fly during the 1970s and 1980s, a process where you needed first a construction permit and *then* permit to operate. Now, a lot of those problems were identified and fixed.
As for safety, LWR and BWR reactors are very safe in the US and in other countries as well. Japan has had a few problems with their sodium reactors, fortunately the US no longer has any of these in operation. We should use lead-bismuth instead of sodium for our fast reactors.
Maybe George Orwell. I didn’t originate it.
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