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To: blam

Oh, crap.

Are we gonna’ rewrite ANCIENT history too?


3 posted on 07/16/2007 5:35:45 PM PDT by bannie (The Good Guys cannot win when they're the only ones to play by the rules.)
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To: bannie
Oh, crap.

Are we gonna’ rewrite ANCIENT history too?

Well, to be fair, you have to acknowledge that the Ancient History we are familiar with has probably been rewritten a couple of dozen times. ;-)

10 posted on 07/16/2007 5:45:43 PM PDT by MichiganMan (Last year, this consumer spent over $150 on native Linux games. Who wants my business next year?)
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To: bannie; blam

The problem is, ancient history was already rewritten.

Only Gibbon’s attempt to deny the Christian with its capital at New Rome (a.k.a. Constantinople) as the organic continuation of the Roman Empire, so as to claim the ‘glories’ of pagan Rome for an anti-Christian ‘Enlightenment’, made 476 into a significant event.

The retirement of the last Western Augustus to a villa near Naples, with the decision of the Eastern Augustus, Zeno, to assume the sole Emperorship, and allow administration of the West to be given over to Odovacer as Patrician of the Romans, was not understood by any contemporary as ending Roman rule over Italy: the pattern of sometimes one, sometimes two, Emperors or Augusti (one for the East and one for the West) had been set by Diocletian’s reforms, and the capital moved to Constantinople by Constantine.

Direct Imperial rule was reestablished in the West under Justinian, and even after effective control passed back to the local Germanic ‘nobility’, there is ample documentary evidence that people still regarded the Emperor in Constantinople as, at least theoretically, the highest political authority.

Even the Imperial coronation of Charlemagne by Pope Leo in 800 was understood by Charlemagne as reestablishing the office of Western Augustus, at least until his position was not recognized by the actual Roman Emperor at Constantinople, at which point he began styling himself ‘Holy Roman Emperor’, and referring to the Roman Emperor, Irene (yes, she was styled Imperator and Basileus, not Empress), as ‘Emperor of the Hellenes’—and insult, since until about 1800 Hellene was understood as ‘pagan’.

The Alexiad, a biography of the Emperor Alexius I by his daughter, consistantly refers to the Empire at the time of the Crusades as the Roman Empire.

The book sounds like an inadequate attempt at fixing the rewrite that already took place.


22 posted on 07/16/2007 6:00:00 PM PDT by The_Reader_David (And when they behead your own people in the wars which are to come, then you will know. . .)
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To: bannie

no, this is a genuine piece of research.


24 posted on 07/16/2007 6:03:12 PM PDT by ken21 ( b 4 fred.)
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