I will say that independent churches (single, on their own) may have a harder time at telling other churches about such a pastor, but that would not stop them from removing the pastor and filing charges against them. Those pastors would not have a centralized structure helping them out to place them somewhere else.
You also cite this as something that must happen all the time, yet you have nothing to back up your statement. Not even one example. It is based in feeling and your personal projection of beliefs that “well they all must work this way.” Not true. I know that many independent, fundamentalist characters are portrayed negatively in films as being drunks, rapists, etc. I wonder if this has affected your worldview on the subject. Or just trying to drag every other denomination down to the level the Roman church is at presently.
Jesus is not in favor of Christians joining together when they disagree on the essentials of Christianity. Or in more biblical phrasing, how much error does it take to corrupt truth?
I am not saying any one denomination has a monopoly on the truth, but I am saying that you should not join with those who persist in error, despite Christian attempts to allow them to correct the error. This is no different than the Roman church’s take on it. Although I do know that my denomination never brought in shamans, zoroastrians, and medicine men to my spiritual headquarters and allowed them to pray to their gods. I do recall this occurring with Pope John Paul II at the Vatican. I also have a nice picture of a female Hindi goddess woman (considered a god by her followers) blessing the forehead of Pope John Paul II with a mark during his visit there.
If other churches such as Methodists, Episcopals and such by your own words “are NOT YET KNOWN” then I guess you can’t make your blanket statement that all the other ones do it too. Thank you for refuting yourself.
You are incorrect about Peter’s wife being dead. According to the synoptic gospels (Mat 8:14; Mark 1:30; Luke 4:38) and according Paul (1Co 9:5), Peter continued to be married and to take his wife with him when he traveled. Paul’s authentic letters (certainly including Romans, 1 & 2 Corinthians, 1 Thessalonians, Galatians, Philippians, and Philemon) predated the four gospels and Acts. So he provided us with the earliest written pieces of Christian history. In one of his letters to the Christian community in Corinth, he wrote:
“Do we not have the right to take along a Christian wife, as do the rest of the apostles, and the brothers of the Lord, and Kephas?” (NAB, 1Co 9:5)
The biblical record in Paul’s writings as well as in the gospels and Acts points to Apostles and other 1st Century Christians traveling with their wives. (Of course, Kephas, more commonly anglicized as “Cephas,” was Peter’s Aramaic name.)
Further when you read the Bible and see the qualifications of deacons, overseers and elders of the church, all are able to be married (the husband of ONE WIFE) and often (in control of his children).
History not only records Peter as married but several other popes as well: St Agatho, Hadrian II, Boniface IX.
Your own church is taking in married Episcopal priests. Yes I know there are restrictions on how far they can rise in the hierarchy, but apparently marriage is not disqualifying them from serving as Roman priests.
I have no animosity to the lay people in the Roman church. I in fact grew up in the Roman church from birth to 25; I am comfortable in my understanding of it. I pray for the people in the Roman church.
Jesus and His Father are One because they are One, and are in complete harmony and agreement with each other. You don’t have true unity if “Christian” group A holds a fundamental doctrine that is the opposite of “Christian” group B. Jesus would not be accepting of the syncretistic Roman Catholicism practiced in Central and South America, which allows for mixing parts of the native paganistic religions into Catholicism. Again, how much error are you willing to allow in?
STILL waiting for your list of groups/organizations that have been doing the same thing the Roman church has been doing for hundreds of years and getting away with it, but have not yet been caught/brought to justice.
I don’t have a problem with you personally, I don’t know you. I have a problem with people making factual statements that they can’t back up, but are based on their own perceptions and feelings. I also have problems with people taking Scripture out of context. It is clear leaders of the church were and can be married. Read 1 Timothy 3:1-12 where it talks about deacons and overseers being married. I don’t disagree that there may be some benefits to being single in leadership positions for some men who can handle it, but it was never a requirement. In fact they drew up qualifications for church leaders specifically mentioning those leaders as being married (to ONE wife). The Bible didn’t say if you took orders, to leave your family. The Bible didn’t say you can’t be a leader unless your wife is dead and you are a widow.
Read what the Bible says about the biblical qualifications of church leaders are, not what the catechism of the church has decided what the qualifications should be.
I am sorry but I no longer have the data to refer you to all of the information that I wrote about back then,nonetheless,it is true. Maybe you were not around then but when I found myself explaining to the same people the same thing and they kept bringing it up thread after thread,eventually I realized that the truth was not something that was going to effect those who have an investment in believing what they perceive as truth whether it is or not. If you do not want to believe it,it is at your peril as well as all Christians.
I tried to differentiate between the mainline churches,I said I was not sure of what happened there. On the other hand,I know that independent pastors/preachers and ministers had charges that were not publicized or reported although the membership may have removed most of them,they did not report it to the police and many of the abusers set up their own little churches in locations far from the site of the original indiscretions.
In the past year or so in Phoenix there have been several teachers that had problems with sexual behavior that were teaching for years after the incident,one was only found after he came back to the district after having taught elsewhere for ten years and came back and applied in another district in the metropolitan area.
I definitely will not go through the gospels to prove my points about wives and marriages,I have done it so many times with non Catholics,who incidentally never could point to any place in the four gospels that demonstrated that any of the Apostles were married with the possible exception of Peter. To cite the four gospels that tell the same story about Peter's mother in law only means that there is one story told four times and I believe that it could very well refer to a person who was the mother of Peter's deceased spouse. After all when she was cured she immediately got up from her sick bed and started serving the men. If Peter's wife was alive she certainly wouldn't have let her mom get off her death bed and start waiting on the men,or would she?
I don't usually go any further since the Gospels and Jesus,came before Paul and the rest of the New Testament. I also understand that it is difficult to accept and so don't put forth the effort when I sense there is an aversion to the information.
For the record,when Paul talks about wives he uses the same word that Christ used when talking to his mother at the wedding at Cana. So was Jesus calling Mary "wife"? I don't think so.