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Editorial: California counting on visas for tech workers, farmworkers
San Jose Mercury ^ | July 17, 2007 | Editorial

Posted on 07/17/2007 10:27:15 AM PDT by greyfoxx39

Edited on 07/17/2007 10:29:44 AM PDT by Admin Moderator. [history]

The Senate's failure to pass a comprehensive immigration reform bill last month was disappointing. But two specific reforms that were part of that bill - more visas for agricultural workers and for skilled workers - are vital to the California and national economy. Congress needs to pass them as separate legislation.


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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Editorial; Government; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: aliens; amnesty; illegals; immigrantlist; immigration
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1 posted on 07/17/2007 10:27:19 AM PDT by greyfoxx39
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To: greyfoxx39
"Congress should pick up the pieces and pass what it can. Some reforms just can't wait for a new president and a new Congress to try again. "

Says it all!

2 posted on 07/17/2007 10:27:56 AM PDT by greyfoxx39
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To: gubamyster
Ping

Thought you might like to see this one, too.

3 posted on 07/17/2007 10:31:16 AM PDT by greyfoxx39
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To: greyfoxx39
more visas for agricultural workers and for skilled workers - are vital to the California and national economy
 

NO. "Free market" means you take the good with the bad. If you can't find skilled labor -- YOU'RE SCREWED.

Tough luck, find another job like everyone else has to do.

4 posted on 07/17/2007 10:31:36 AM PDT by SteveMcKing
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To: SteveMcKing

Pay attention to presidential candidates past records on immigration both legal and illegal.


5 posted on 07/17/2007 10:34:13 AM PDT by cripplecreek (Greed is NOT a conservative ideal.)
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To: greyfoxx39

The Mexicans are an underclass, a caste, virtual slaves, in the LA area and I find that troubling. Over and over I heard the words “Get a Mexican to do it.” when I talked about house work or yard work. Mexicans do all the menial labor and people look down on them. There is no eye contact no respect. Everything is landscaped - even the median strips - and it is all done by Mexicans. Much of southern California looks like Disneyworld becuase of the cheap labor of the underclass. This may be working right now but some day the next generation of workers will want to be equals to other US citizens and live the good life too. Who will do their lawns? I see major trouble in LA in the future because of the current selfish attitudes.


6 posted on 07/17/2007 10:39:07 AM PDT by Martins kid
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To: greyfoxx39
How many of those H-1B tech visas are used as they are advertised for highly skilled, highly paid foreigners to come to the US for jobs which there are no Americans available, and how many are used for low paid support jobs or (even worse) just as an excuse to train a few employees for an outsourcing firm in American business practices to make it easier to send jobs to China or India?
7 posted on 07/17/2007 10:44:40 AM PDT by KarlInOhio (May the heirs of Charles Martel and Jan Sobieski rise up again to defend Europe.)
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8 posted on 07/17/2007 10:44:44 AM PDT by gubamyster
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To: greyfoxx39
Congress must also allow more skilled immigrants to fill jobs in high-demand fields like technology and nursing.

So the Californians can tax and regulate them to death, right?

Farmers across the country already are having trouble finding enough migrant workers to pick their crops.

Perhaps the farmers are not willing to pay wages at market rates.

Creating more work permits will not only help our huge agriculture industry, it also will help protect workers from exploitation, including being paid illegally low wages.

But I thought "low wages" were the reason to bring in illegal aliens?

The problems with California lie squarely in the laps of the Socialists, Hippies, and environmentalists.

In a few years, I will be looking for a job in one of those "high demand" fields (technology), but California is out of the question due to high taxes, high cost of living, and an overabundance of nosy, know-it-all Marxists.

There is a reason why California is number 36 on Forbes magazine's list of Best States for Business and why Virginia is number 1.

9 posted on 07/17/2007 10:45:42 AM PDT by rabscuttle385 (Sic Semper Tyrannis * U.Va. Engineering '09 * Friends Don't Let Friends Vote Democrat * Fred in 2008)
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To: SteveMcKing

Exactly! If companies need skilled workers then offer more money. I’ll be happy to take their job offer for $50K more than I am already making.

That’s the free market!


10 posted on 07/17/2007 10:51:01 AM PDT by avacado
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To: avacado

The laws of supply and demand are for everyone.

Funny how the same companies that lobby to prevent Americans from going outside the country for cheaper medications are the same companies that lobby for the exact opposite when it comes to labor.


11 posted on 07/17/2007 10:56:29 AM PDT by cripplecreek (Greed is NOT a conservative ideal.)
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To: greyfoxx39

Retrain/educate legal American residents to do the work. Hire more older people.

Then talk about H1B visas.


12 posted on 07/17/2007 11:00:54 AM PDT by amihow
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To: amihow
Retrain/educate legal American residents to do the work.

They have to be willing to do so. There is a legitimate issue that Americans would rather get fuzzy jobs in entertainment, marketing and such rather than learn some math and get an education in science and engineering.

13 posted on 07/17/2007 11:05:50 AM PDT by RonF
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To: Martins kid
Martins kid wrote:
There is no eye contact no respect.

Courtesy Comment:

That feel good comment says you feel the illegals are being discriminated against by everyone.

I don’t look down or avoid eye contact with anyone for what they do.

There is honor in all work whether it be digging ditches or trying to run a country.

I would think that that what you say might more fit an arrogant uppity liberal, living beyond their means.

"See my house, it’s big, see my Mercedes it’s expensive, see my pool it deep, see my lawn it green, see my gardener hes a Mexican illegal, see my voter ID, it says Liberal Democrat and I can barely pay the interest on my credit cards".

14 posted on 07/17/2007 11:21:49 AM PDT by OKIEDOC (Kalifornia, a red state wannabe. I don't take Ex Lax I just read the New York Times.)
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To: Martins kid

I look everyone in the eye, especially criminals.


15 posted on 07/17/2007 11:29:22 AM PDT by B4Ranch
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To: greyfoxx39
more visas for agricultural workers and for skilled workers

This is such a lie. If they need "agricultural workers", they can get the ones already here who have taken American construction and service industry jobs. How about the "agricultural workers" who are standing on every street corner and Home Depot parking lot in California?

Regarding the "skilled workers", maybe some of the skilled American workers in the technical industry would like their jobs and paychecks back, those jobs that were taken away from them by cheap foreign visa workers who worked for less.

I hope everyone signs up at www.numbersusa.com to send free faxes to our "leaders" to vent our outrage at the mess they've made.

16 posted on 07/17/2007 11:30:43 AM PDT by janetgreen
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To: SteveMcKing
NO. "Free market" means you take the good with the bad. If you can't find skilled labor -- YOU'RE SCREWED.

The labor is out there - they just have to pay market rates for it. Thus the caterwauling. ;)

17 posted on 07/17/2007 11:34:52 AM PDT by Mr. Jeeves ("Wise men don't need to debate; men who need to debate are not wise." -- Tao Te Ching)
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a persistent shortage of farmworkers . . . .

A recent report on California's poor, "Overview of the Uninsured: Central Valley Insure the Uninsured Project" Dated June, 2007, contains this:

"Hispanics represent the largest proportion of residents in the Central Valley followed by Whites.

"Unemployment in the Central Valley dropped to 8.6% in 2005 from 10% in 2004. Unemployment is highest in Merced and lowest in Madera." [End quotes]

FYI, the Central Valley, I believe goes all the way from southern California to Redding in the north.

We don't got enough farm workers all ready? Or has the unemployment rate dropped to the national 4.5? I don't don't, maybe the rate did drop in two years.

18 posted on 07/17/2007 11:38:27 AM PDT by WilliamofCarmichael (If modern America's Man on Horseback is out there, Get on the damn horse already!)
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To: Martins kid
This may be working right now but some day the next generation of workers will want to be equals to other US citizens and live the good life too.

Wrong. The next generation doesn't want to be equal. They want to trade places.

19 posted on 07/17/2007 11:38:53 AM PDT by Vigilanteman (Are there any men left in Washington? Or are there only cowards? Ahmad Shah Massoud)
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To: greyfoxx39
Rest of America to California: "Screw You".

We're tired of you setting the defacto immigration play for the nation, through inattention and capitulation. We ain't doing special "do overs". You guys lost this fight, it's over for 2007 and maybe 2008.

Deal with it.

20 posted on 07/17/2007 11:45:43 AM PDT by Jack Black
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