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Posted on 07/17/2007 7:57:23 PM PDT by CJ Wolf
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LOL!
Like I said, there’s obviously a lot of artificially inflated American salaries that we’re going to have to import some guest workers to fill. Otherwise, we may never have enough cheap stuff.
In the short term, yes. In the long term you will have sold off all of the community assets to people who have no patriotism towards America.
Downhill is the only direction the country can take unless you are a globalist who is in favor of the New World Order. In the eyes of the NWO, national sovereignty and national borders is a sin.
Isn’t exporting jobs good? The profits “flow back here,” right? [chuckle]
What's a community asset? Is that what they have in Cuba? And how is a newly built foreign owned factory sold off? It was built from scratch.
Downhill is the only direction the country can take
Or we could cut corporate taxes and more American companies will keep factories here. Build new factories here.
>What’s a community asset?<
Anything that is a benefit to the community. A park, a school, a manufacturing plant, a small business that serves the community, etc.
>Or we could cut corporate taxes and more American companies will keep factories here. Build new factories here.<
Yes.
I am not going to continue this discussion. Why? Because I have been through it too many times already.
Have a nice day and stay well.
You're sounding a bit like Hillary.
Have a nice day and stay well.
Ditto.
We've lost a lot of ground on the world market since 1989 mainly due to a congress and POTUS that have put other nations ahead of our own for what can only be their own personal gains in return. Certainly not ours by any means.
We don't manufacture anything? Or we don't manufacture enough to satisfy you?
The United States can never manufacture enough of it's own products IMO. Better us doing for ourselves than China and Mexico helping themselves to our childrens future. Not too long ago I could buy a TV {major brand name} made within 25 miles of home and tires as well. What manufacturing jobs left are where the companies actually hire you rather than a temp service are getting fewer and fewer also. It's getting bad when one of the biggest manufacturing companies in the area is foreign owned. But that goes along with the illegal from a southern nation taking even those jobs in many communities. Maybe you like it. I don't.
What about your family? Should they make all their own products? Grow their own food?
Better us doing for ourselves than China and Mexico helping themselves to our childrens future.
Exactly! For my children's future, I think they should manufacture gym shoes, instead of the Chinese. Forget that college fund.
What manufacturing jobs left are where the companies actually hire you rather than a temp service are getting fewer and fewer also.
What about service jobs?
It's getting bad when one of the biggest manufacturing companies in the area is foreign owned.
Why is that bad? Paychecks are still in dollars, right?
But that goes along with the illegal from a southern nation taking even those jobs in many communities. Maybe you like it.
No. I think we need a big wall. Send them back.
As a nation we rely too much on imports. IMPORTS CAN BE CUT OFF BY THAT NATION AT ANY TIME ESPECIALLY BY NATIONS UNDER COMMUNIST OR DICTATOR RULE! Comprehend? As in China wanting to destroy our economy and create mass shortages? As in oil company assets being nationalized in the Central America region? China can drill off our shore now and we can't thanks to a Bush. American manufacturing means American jobs which means national self reliance it's that simple.
Exactly! For my children's future, I think they should manufacture gym shoes, instead of the Chinese. Forget that college fund.
Go try and find a shoe in an extra wide size these days and you'll think save for a college fund. The foreign manufactures make them for Asians {narrow feet} and custom made extra wides start at $150 a pair. Go ahead go to a shoe store and ask I'm not making it up. They no longer sell them because suppliers stopped making them. Suppliers as in Asian countries. A few years ago they were $9.99. Now no store carries them in stock.
It's also hard for even white collar workers now days to pay for college when high paying jobs like engineering are outsourced now isn't it? Know any family members who have lost those type of jobs due to outsourcing which our president and congress embraces so dearly? I do. Look at the computer and Internet related jobs as well. Where are they now? Many including engineers work for TEMP companies in what jobs are left.
What about service jobs?
What about them? A few years back landscaping for example was a highly profitable job. Our schools trained our kids in plant science etc. Now look who's took it over. ILLEGALS! Look where high school kids used to work like Mickey D's. Who's there? Illegals. Look at building trades same thing. Have you ever seen the U.S. economy so bad no one could get a job even slinging burgers? I have it happened in the early 1980's. But the president and congress the Globaist they are thinks it won't happen again I suppose. No actually in the overall scheme of things they could care less as they are so detached from it all. They won't hurt for an income thanks to their ridiclous retirement package they voted themselves.
There will be war in the streets the next time a deep recession or depression hits you can take that fact to the bank. The last major one was in the early 1980's. What happened after 9/11 to the economy was nothing like 1982. Not Hiring signs was in virtually all businesses. Many service jobs especially repair services are going down the tubes due to cheap products that are cheaper to replace than repair. I remember shoe shops that actually repaired shoes for example and repair shops that actually fixed TV's etc. Few and far between now.
Why is that bad? Paychecks are still in dollars, right?
Well it's a better deal than taking it off shore. But it is a national disgrace when a Japanese company treats it's employee's with more respect and offers better pay and security than American owned companies. Maybe you can't see it but I do. DENSO is one example of it. But even a lot of their jobs are now TEMPs.
Temp Services in case you never worked for one simply means someone else sells a company your labor and gets paid a sizable portion of your earnings for doing so. It's usually that portion of the workers pay that used to pay for such trivial things as paid vacation time and holidays, health care, and kids college, etc that the flesh brokers get. It's corporate flesh peddling. No retirement no nothing. It encourages a lower standard of living. Not so long ago they were virtually non existent in most industries. Of course some persons do manage to by-pass the Temp service but No Speaks a da English though.
No. I think we need a big wall. Send them back.
It's almost too late for that because Morons like Rudy, Fred, John, and Mitt even if elected will not do it. Why? Because they are FRC Globalist as is Da Bush's as well. Congress other than when people force the issue stopped caring about We The People and have become owned by Corporate Globalist. They are too busy taking in Lobbyist dollars from globalism backers to care. Of course many who fancy themselves as Free Traders cheer it on. Free Trade is by no means fair trade for our national interest despite the snake oil the GOP and DEMs and their corporate masters are selling these days.
About 14% of GDP. By that logic, you rely too much on your grocery store for food. They could cut off your supply at anytime. You'll starve!
IMPORTS CAN BE CUT OFF BY THAT NATION AT ANY TIME ESPECIALLY BY NATIONS UNDER COMMUNIST OR DICTATOR RULE!
Imports from China were about 2.2% of our GDP last year. Chinese exports to us were about 8% of their GDP. Who do you think will be hurt more if that trade goes to zero?
As in China wanting to destroy our economy and create mass shortages?
2.2%. Scary!
As in oil company assets being nationalized in the Central America region?
Yeah, that never happened before.
American manufacturing means American jobs which means national self reliance it's that simple.
We manufacture more than ever before. More Americans are working than ever before.
Go try and find a shoe in an extra wide size these days and you'll think save for a college fund. The foreign manufactures make them for Asians {narrow feet} and custom made extra wides start at $150 a pair.
So let's make all shoes $150 a pair!
It's also hard for even white collar workers now days to pay for college when high paying jobs like engineering are outsourced now isn't it?
Making all the goods they buy more expensive makes college more affordable how?
Your chart does show an increase in jobs of approx 17 million from Jan 97 to Jan 2007 but you need to show more information.
For instance show us the increase of the US population at the same time due to immigration- legal and illegal, and the rising native population.
A rise in population will give you increased employment figures as well.
I do? Why don't you show more information, if you think it's important?
A rise in population will give you increased employment figures as well.
Really? So we could lose all our manufacturing jobs and still have higher employment? That's interesting.
You might. I won't. Then again you better worry about more and more products in the grocery section labeled Made In China.
Imports from China were about 2.2% of our GDP last year. Chinese exports to us were about 8% of their GDP. Who do you think will be hurt more if that trade goes to zero?
Horsehillary. Every shelf in every store in our nation is packed with MADE IN CHINA goods. You have to work at it to find anything not made there. You may believe those figures I don't. My own two eyes tell me the figure is closer to 75% on day to day purchases. Which is how the Free Trade Shills get around this.
We manufacture more than ever before. More Americans are working than ever before.
Yes they likely are at a much lower standard of living than our parents. If you don't think so answer this. If you are over 30 did your mom work? Does you wife work so you can keep a roof over your head. But again this goes right over Free Trade Shills heads because their precious stock dividends and corporate profit portfolio's look good. Hey Joe how about another round of golf at the country club Republicans IOW. Those can be gone in a day. Think then about what we have left. Not even Russia with all it's problems is as stupid as we are. They shutter their factories to remain usable later on. We tear ours down for a strip mall. That is especially true with our defense manufacturing we couldn't even produce new Army Berets made in the USA remember that one?
So let's make all shoes $150 a pair!
No let's make shoes people can wear at a reasonable price instead of RELYING on companies GEARED TO MAKE SHOES FOR A NATION WITH SMALLER FEET in another region of the world. Understand that one now? You could buy them anywhere a couple of years ago. The so called precious global economy rather than a U.S. determined economy ended the very existence of such shoes almost. I know because I drove all over the fairly large city I live near looking for them. I was told the Extra wide shoes made today are two years ago regular width. When EU and other nation sized began to appear on the boxes the sizes changed. A 12-D now is not a 12-D two years ago it will be much more narrow. All this so China and Vietnam can sell global and Wally World can buy them ten cents cheaper forcing the shoes off the market elsewhere as no one can compete with China's best corporate buddy Walmart. I'd say Sam Walton liked a dollar as much as anyone else. But I'd say he'd be disgusted to see what his family did after he died. When Sam was alive Made in USA was the store theme remember that? I do!
Making all the goods they buy more expensive makes college more affordable how?
By putting The United States first. Oh I'm going to say more about college. Public colleges drawing on the FED need to be shut down or forced to privatize for their existence. Watch the prices fall as professor Liberal suddenly finds no one is going to study philosophy or globalist economics courses as their major much less pay for it.
I'm not against honest free trade but what is going on now is anything but that. Such things as H1-B Visas are insane when good Americans are out of work in those related fields. Our imports can not exceed our exports otherwise we are a nation in foreign debt. We are indeed a nation in debt now are we not? I remember when the United States was a dad works and provides income and mom stays home to actually raise the kids nation and it was an option in most cases if mom did work usually when the kids entered grade school or high school. Now it is a requirement to exist. And you think that's all just great? You don't know the USA I grew up in and sadly my grandkids won't either. The new USA brought to you by Globalist politicians and people stupid enough to elect and re-elect their sorry hides.
I don't buy that stuff.
Every shelf in every store in our nation is packed with MADE IN CHINA goods.
Wow, no MADE IN AMERICA goods?
My own two eyes tell me the figure is closer to 75% on day to day purchases.
Math is hard.
Yes they likely are at a much lower standard of living than our parents.
That's why we live in bigger houses, own more cars, own more electronics, have a higher net-worth....
If you are over 30 did your mom work?
Yes.
Does you wife work so you can keep a roof over your head.
I should tell her she can't work? LOL!
But again this goes right over Free Trade Shills heads because their precious stock dividends and corporate profit portfolio's look good.
Yeah, all those middle class families with 401Ks. It's terrible. I miss the good old days when only rich people owned stock.
That is especially true with our defense manufacturing we couldn't even produce new Army Berets made in the USA remember that one?
Yeah, what will we do when we no longer know how to make hats in America? Once we lose that knowledge......
No let's make shoes people can wear at a reasonable price instead of RELYING on companies GEARED TO MAKE SHOES FOR A NATION WITH SMALLER FEET in another region of the world.
You'd think some manufacturer somewhere would see the untapped big foot market in America.
Understand that one now?
Yes, I understand how silly your silly example is.
By putting The United States first.
Make stuff more expensive, for America! LOL!
Oh I'm going to say more about college. Public colleges drawing on the FED need to be shut down or forced to privatize for their existence. Watch the prices fall as professor Liberal suddenly finds no one is going to study philosophy or globalist economics courses as their major much less pay for it.
I AGREE!! If the Feds weren't throwing so much money at them, tuition would be much lower.
Such things as H1-B Visas are insane when good Americans are out of work in those related fields.
The number of those visas is pretty small, but I know what you mean.
Our imports can not exceed our exports otherwise we are a nation in foreign debt. We are indeed a nation in debt now are we not?
How many years in our history did we not import more than we export?
I remember when the United States was a dad works and provides income and mom stays home to actually raise the kids nation
How long was that actually the norm? Not when everyone lived on a farm. Not when sweatshop factory work was mostly women. And children.
Now it is a requirement to exist.
Lots of people I know have one parent at home.
You don't know the USA I grew up in and sadly my grandkids won't either.
How old are you?
Not much these days and you know it but you like playing games don't you?
Math is hard.
Common sense isn't most math fanatics have book smarts but lack practical common sense in a lot of cases. They can prove anything they wish by manipulating charts and figures but truth is going to any store to by for the home and buying USA is not by any means an easy task if not nearly an impossible one.
That's why we live in bigger houses, own more cars, own more electronics, have a higher net-worth....
Many more don't in case you haven't bothered to look around. Subsidized housing, trailer parks, and apartments have replaced many family homes. I own two vehicles both over 10 years old. One is actually a 78 model I keep it because it runs better than the vehicles of today made with imported parts.
How long was that actually the norm? Not when everyone lived on a farm. Not when sweatshop factory work was mostly women. And children.
I'm passing my half century mark and my dad managed to raise two kids on his wages. Better still he managed to build a home and I don't mean a small one. When my sister was born he paid the doctor and hospital by working four days for another company. He started out in a job people did not want because it didn't pay enough. He retired at 45 years. We never went to bed hungry, never went without our needs met, and he had job security. A lot of his friends saw theirs go down the tubes thanks to a federal judge last name of Greene but he retired at 65 years old and lives very comfortable. He worked at the craft or technical level in a TELCO actually. Mom went to work when I entered high school because she wanted to.
Yeah, what will we do when we no longer know how to make hats in America? Once we lose that knowledge......
The United States used to make the best Blue Jeans in the world and it was quality work put into them. The same with many more items of clothing. You see there is a certain few things needed for survival. food, shelter, and clothing. Not a one of these now is not knee deep in China as our provider.
You'd think some manufacturer somewhere would see the untapped big foot market in America.
They do at $150 a pop likely still imported and actually made for about a dollar.
The number of those visas is pretty small, but I know what you mean.
When you have family who spent five years being an engineer out of work because their job is either done by a H1-B Visa worker or off shored to the H1B Visa's holders homeland it will finally sink in to you perhaps. These aren't young persons in many cases but people approaching their late 50's and early 60's. It's too late to start over for them and all they had is lost so corp who could care less about the survival of this nation outsourced the work.
How many years in our history did we not import more than we export?
Lets put it this way. I can remember when Made in China or Hong Kong was found only on toys and cheap trinkets. Made in Japan was on radio's mostly although Japan has lately been much more a good trade nation with us than China will ever be.
How long was that actually the norm? Not when everyone lived on a farm. Not when sweatshop factory work was mostly women. And children.
LOL the last kid in my family who left home as a kid meaning under age 16 to work was my great grandfather in the 1800's. Nice try though.
How old are you?
Old enough that I could as a kid walk downtown at night to go to the movies. Old enough to remember when doors on houses and cars weren't locked. Old enough to remember when if you saw someone with car trouble you felt safe to stop and help. Old enough to remember when you could actually work on your own vehicles. Old enough to remember the national nightmare of Vietnam and an arrogant president who would not listen to reason and took us there. Old enough to remember seeing JFK on TV. Old enough to remember terrorist were not threatening this nation. I remember hijackings. I also remember how they were stopped.
I remember when family took care of family and when military veterans died they received full military honors at their burial. That was the American Way. Actually I buried quiet a few while I was going to school and working at a National Cemetery on contract for minimum wages. The graves were dug with pick and shovel and it wasn't that long ago actually in 1982. My GI Bill saved me from the 82 recession. I went back to school because no not even Mickey D's was hiring unless you had connections and then it was part time. I remember that very well. Now the deceased vets get Boom Box Taps with a local VFW handing the flag to the next of kin. You see our congress is too wrapped up in it's globalization projects giving away this nation to give a tinker damn about our armed service members still active, the reserves, or the vets.
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