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War Over "The War" (Ken Burns)
The American spectator ^ | 7/18/07 | Iain Murray & Ivan Osorio

Posted on 07/18/2007 5:57:44 AM PDT by Valin

When Ken Burns releases a documentary, America watches. This is partly because of his uniquely compelling style, but also partly because his stories are those of America itself: the Civil War, jazz, baseball.

But now some ethnic activists and politicians are decrying Burns's latest project on World War II, The War, as not reflective of America -- and are seeking to impose that judgment. If they get their way, there may be more such spats on the horizon.

Why the ruckus?

Burns's narrative technique relies heavily on individual accounts and The War is no exception. He aims to tell the story of how World War II affected the people of four towns -- Sacramento, California; Waterbury, Connecticut; Mobile, Alabama; and Luverne, Minnesota. Interviews with survivors from those towns are integral to the story and, naturally, the survivors are few in number today.

This is where the politics comes in. Among those survivors are African-Americans and, because of the very special circumstances involved, Japanese-Americans who were unjustly interned. But there are no Hispanics, which has led outraged Latino advocacy groups to pressure Burns to include Hispanics in his documentary.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial
KEYWORDS: antiamericanism; kenburns; pbs; revisionisthistory; taxdollarsatwork; thewar
"PBS, to its credit, reacted strongly to this bullying by asserting its editorial independence"

Now it only they would respond positively to Islam vs. Islamists: Voices from the Muslim Center

1 posted on 07/18/2007 5:57:47 AM PDT by Valin
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To: Valin

oh boy.....the Mobile Alabama part should be real fun.....

he won’t just leave it at shipyards and Brookley field.....nah, we’ll have to self flagellate over James Crow for the appropriate butt kissing


2 posted on 07/18/2007 6:00:57 AM PDT by wardaddy (world's least admitted secret.....................strong women need stronger men)
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To: Valin

Burns forgot to use PBS math.

Such and such % anglo, this % black, x % asian, etc., etc...


3 posted on 07/18/2007 6:02:10 AM PDT by Mrs.Z
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To: Mrs.Z
Burns forgot to use PBS math.

Such and such % anglo, this % black, x % asian, etc., etc...

When I was in television, this was referred to in meetings, in code, as the 'Bridge of the Enterprise'...

4 posted on 07/18/2007 6:04:31 AM PDT by IncPen (The Liberal's Reward is Self Disgust)
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To: Valin

LOL!

PC modey-dopey (& boring) Ken Burns hasn’t been PC enough!!!!

ROFL!

See, PC Ken? You can never satisfy! Just drop the PC race-coddling crap. It ain’t worth it, and it ain’t representative, anyway.


5 posted on 07/18/2007 6:05:32 AM PDT by the OlLine Rebel (Common sense is an uncommon virtue.)
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To: Valin
I thought it was the United States in the war.

Turns out it was the Affiliated States.

6 posted on 07/18/2007 6:05:49 AM PDT by Izzy Dunne (Hello, I'm a TAGLINE virus. Please help me spread by copying me into YOUR tag line.)
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To: IncPen

“’Bridge of the Enterprise’...”

LOL

Cute, I need to remember that one.


7 posted on 07/18/2007 6:08:57 AM PDT by Mrs.Z
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To: Valin

‘PBS, to its credit, reacted strongly to this bullying by asserting its editorial independence, saying in a statement, “Any attempt by the government or interest groups to influence content, especially before a program has aired, raises serious Constitutional, statutory and policy concerns.”’

Yes and no.

You get what you get when you have government funding. They GET to control you. Much more than if you did it on your own and raised money from private investors.

Commies.


8 posted on 07/18/2007 6:10:32 AM PDT by the OlLine Rebel (Common sense is an uncommon virtue.)
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To: Valin
I think he should announce his next documentary will be about the Spanish-American War to insure plenty of hispanic participation.
9 posted on 07/18/2007 6:10:34 AM PDT by parcel_of_rogues
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To: Valin; Millee; carlr; Maximus of Texas; EX52D; StephenTX; wallcrawlr; Auntbee; Shimmer128; ...
I hate to say it, but in the not too far off future, I foresee a World War Two documentary being produced that will not have any white hetrosexual males shown at all.

In it women, blacks, latinos, arabs and gays defeat Hitler, Mussolini, Tojo and George W. Bush to free the world from all oppression!

10 posted on 07/18/2007 6:11:46 AM PDT by Bender2 (A 'Good Yankee' comes down to Texas, then goes back north. A 'Damn Yankee' stays... Damn it!)
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To: Valin

“The people that are in our film are not their nationality, not their country of origin, not their ethnicity, not their religion, not their sex, not their race, but human beings. Not just Americans, but human beings.”

You pathetic PC BSer.

If you were so interested in “human beings” - did you include REAL Germans and REAL Japanese in your accounts? Did you ask them how they “feel”?

You hypocritical !$#!@#.


11 posted on 07/18/2007 6:12:48 AM PDT by the OlLine Rebel (Common sense is an uncommon virtue.)
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To: Bender2

ROFL!

When you see these KB shows, and you think of the % population in reality vs. on his shows AND how much time is spent, it’s really WAY out of whack.


12 posted on 07/18/2007 6:14:21 AM PDT by the OlLine Rebel (Common sense is an uncommon virtue.)
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To: the OlLine Rebel

It appears you have some sort of thing about Ken burns. His politics aside a great film maker.


13 posted on 07/18/2007 6:20:28 AM PDT by Valin (History takes time. It is not an instant thing.)
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To: the OlLine Rebel
Hilarious parody of a Burns documentary.
14 posted on 07/18/2007 6:20:31 AM PDT by Tijeras_Slim
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To: Valin

Burns discovered racism as a overriding theme in his Jazz work. Both the Jazz and Baseball works would’ve been half-hour shows if the word “racism” would’ve been removed. I think that this was lampooned in FR among other places.

Burns is now like a music act whose producers found a “sound” that it could sell, and now replicate that song a dozen times (think “Air Supply” and “REO Speedwagon”). This is sad, because the Civil War work was by far the best for Burns.


15 posted on 07/18/2007 6:21:53 AM PDT by TWohlford
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To: TWohlford
Nailed it.

Burns is very skilled. I find his work compelling -- but it really irks me that everything seems to revolve around how blacks have been treated in America.

There is more to the American story than race relations. To some extent, despite his vast talent as a film-maker, Burns is a one-note wonder. Now he appears to be hoist on his own petard.

16 posted on 07/18/2007 6:35:17 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy (Progressives like to keep doing the things that didn't work in the past.)
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To: Valin

Another Burns-lover, huh?

Politics (with which his “films” are reaking) aside, he’s boring. Everything is low monotone, with depressing music.


17 posted on 07/18/2007 6:36:17 AM PDT by the OlLine Rebel (Common sense is an uncommon virtue.)
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To: TWohlford

“Civil War” was reaking with racism, of course, too. And that was 1st. He found that theme right away and ALWAYS pushes it. Especially as it relates to America.

Poor self-flagellating white American boy.


18 posted on 07/18/2007 6:38:03 AM PDT by the OlLine Rebel (Common sense is an uncommon virtue.)
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To: the OlLine Rebel; ClearCase_guy

Racism overshadows Burns’ work.


19 posted on 07/18/2007 6:44:46 AM PDT by stainlessbanner
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To: Valin

It’s ironic that one of the most uniting events in American history now has to be told in a fragmented, ethnicity-oriented style, thanks to “diversity”.


20 posted on 07/18/2007 6:46:14 AM PDT by popdonnelly (Our first responsibility is to keep the power of the Presidency out of the hands of the Clintons.)
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To: TWohlford
Burns is now like a music act whose producers found a “sound” that it could sell, and now replicate that song a dozen times

BeeGees, anyone?

He shoulda quit after "Civil War". He will never do better than that.

21 posted on 07/18/2007 6:47:59 AM PDT by WarEagle (Can America survive a President named Hussein?)
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To: popdonnelly

I thought it was interesting reading an anecdote in 1 of those WWII series (books! not TV!) from a while back.

It wrote about how even women were lining up to sign up for jobs/military, and amongst them in some town’s line was an Indian (ahem, that was pre-PC; “Native American”) woman in full native dress.


22 posted on 07/18/2007 6:50:52 AM PDT by the OlLine Rebel (Common sense is an uncommon virtue.)
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To: popdonnelly

Nothing wrong with diversity aka a fact, we are a mutt nation. The trouble comes when diversity becomes Diversity aka a value.
I await the day when I see a protest by lefthanded albino bi-sexual dwarf’s.


23 posted on 07/18/2007 6:54:46 AM PDT by Valin (History takes time. It is not an instant thing.)
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To: the OlLine Rebel

“The Civil War” boring? Ok, if you say so.


24 posted on 07/18/2007 6:56:06 AM PDT by Valin (History takes time. It is not an instant thing.)
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To: the OlLine Rebel

My wife and I loved the Burns series on the Civil War, to the point of buying it.


25 posted on 07/18/2007 6:57:29 AM PDT by Badeye (You know its a kook site when they ban the word 'kook')
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To: Valin

I join Rebel in decrying Burn’ worth as a historian, not as a film maker. His works are so excessively PC that their historical value is diminished.


26 posted on 07/18/2007 6:59:25 AM PDT by Dionysius (Jingoism is no vice.)
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To: Valin

Yes. They’re all boring. His whole tone is boring - music, monotone narration, everything. Even “Baseball” is presented in a depressing, boring light (forgetting the race-baiting).

I don’t see how anyone thinks this guy is “rivetting”.

Someone years ago fantasized about him covering my horse-racing. I pleaded, dear God, no. It would be soooo boring, and covered with references to how black jockeys were slaves and then “sold out” for whites. I can hear the race-calls now - there would be no Dave Johnson/Trevor Denman excitement about it. It would be zzzzzzzzzzzzzz.


27 posted on 07/18/2007 7:00:51 AM PDT by the OlLine Rebel (Common sense is an uncommon virtue.)
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To: Valin

You’re so un-PC. They’re not “dwarfs”!


28 posted on 07/18/2007 7:01:38 AM PDT by the OlLine Rebel (Common sense is an uncommon virtue.)
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To: the OlLine Rebel

Live by the PC sword, Die by the PC sword...


29 posted on 07/18/2007 7:04:10 AM PDT by AnnGora (E-Harmony.com reject)
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To: Tijeras_Slim

thanks Tijeris Slim....that parody was one of the funniest things I’ve seen in a while...Im sure it’s already been labeled as “racist” by the PC gods


30 posted on 07/18/2007 7:19:50 AM PDT by STONEWALLS
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To: Valin

I wonder if he’s going to go on at length about the Communist led anti-war movement that opposed war against Nazi Germany until Adolph Hitler betrayed Stalin.

Or is that politically incorrect to point out that even then American Communists led the so-called anti-war movement?


31 posted on 07/18/2007 7:46:37 AM PDT by weegee (If the Fairness Doctrine is imposed on USA who will CNN news get to read the conservative rebuttal)
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To: weegee

Speaking about Ken Burns parodies check this one out:
Speaking about Ken Burns parodies check this one out: http://www.veoh.com/videos/v2510423SWH5D9p


32 posted on 07/27/2007 9:00:50 PM PDT by Louiemanno
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To: parcel_of_rogues
I think he should announce his next documentary will be about the Spanish-American War to insure plenty of hispanic participation.

...or the Mexican-American War... which will give some the problem of which side to choose.

33 posted on 09/23/2007 6:50:00 PM PDT by Pelham (The DREAM Act, amnesty by stealth + chain migration)
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To: Valin
about 20% of the first episode was about how terrible the Japanese and Japanese Americans were treated. There was about 30 seconds about the Japanese interring US civilians in the Philippines with very few details.

Before the showing, our local PBS affiliate showed its own locally produced documentary about how badly the Japanese Americans, Latinos and Blacks were treated during the war with a little about how important dancing was and the contributions of women to war time industry were.

All good balanced PBS stuff.

34 posted on 09/23/2007 10:37:46 PM PDT by InABunkerUnderSF ("Gun Control" is not about the guns. "Illegal Immigration" is not about the immigration)
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To: Valin

I was anxious to watch it until all the carping started from the usual suspects. Not enough hispanics, not enough blacks, yadda,yadda,yadda. PBS goes PC again.


35 posted on 09/23/2007 10:45:50 PM PDT by ozzymandus
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To: ozzymandus

You should have expected it in a Ken Burns documentary. Everything he does is infused with PC Politics!


36 posted on 09/26/2007 3:13:58 AM PDT by truthguy
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To: truthguy

I watched a little of it, and found it PC, maudlin, and boring. I was amused by the black man who said the US Army didn’t deserve somebody as wonderful as him. He should have spent the war(and a few years after) on the rockpile.


37 posted on 09/26/2007 1:00:50 PM PDT by ozzymandus
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