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To: SirJohnBarleycorn
Good essay. A materialistic, hedonistic, selfish people can not be governed under the light hand envisioned by the Founding Fathers and the government of such a people will eventually evolve into a police state.

Really? So how have we survived for the past 200 years?

With all due respect Alan Keyes subscribes to some great social virtues but somehow still manages to come off as self-righteous blow hard. I'm tired of him.

6 posted on 07/20/2007 8:44:59 PM PDT by Jorge
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To: Jorge
So how have we survived for the past 200 years?

Because the moral degeneracy of our society seen in the breakdown of the family, abortion, widespread divorce, sexual licentiousness, acceptance of homosexuality as normal, astronomical illegitimacy rates, the decline of what was once the dominating influence of the church (of whatever denomination) in most people's lives, violent crime rates, the debasement of popular culture, etc., etc., which in the past only had a limited reach into society, in recent decades have become widespread.

Were you born yesterday or have you been living in a cave somewhere? You haven't noticed these trends over the last 50 years?

7 posted on 07/20/2007 8:55:52 PM PDT by SirJohnBarleycorn
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To: Jorge
“Really? So how have we survived for the past 200 years?”

We’ve survived because there have been enough moral, self-governing people to keep this country afloat. With the way society is headed today, who knows how much longer we’ll survive. We're on the brink--just like the Biblical model of Sodom and Gomorrah and trying to find 10 righteous men, etc.

12 posted on 07/20/2007 9:11:25 PM PDT by Nan48
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To: Jorge
Good essay. A materialistic, hedonistic, selfish people can not be governed under the light hand envisioned by the Founding Fathers and the government of such a people will eventually evolve into a police state. Really? So how have we survived for the past 200 years? With all due respect Alan Keyes subscribes to some great social virtues but somehow still manages to come off as self-righteous blow hard. I'm tired of him.

Reasoning with people is different from catering to their intellectual whims. I'll make note that you're calling him names.

83 posted on 07/21/2007 9:09:06 AM PDT by Mmmike
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To: Jorge

200 years is a VERY short time for any peoples who have lived on the earth. Also for 80% of those 200 years we were a nation of people who understood self evident truth. Now we have become a nation or relative truth or deniers of any such truths at all.

This is also nothing new.

Pontius Pilate asked the basic question for all humanity when he asked Jesus, “What is Truth?” The irony of the scene is powerful and poignant because the Eternal Truth stood before him incarnate as a human person.

Jesus said, “My sheep hear my voice.” He said it in answer to his enemies’ demand, “If you are the Messiah, tell us plainly.” Jesus answered, “I have told you.” Then he said two things about faith: “The works that I do in my Father’s name testify to me” and “You do not believe, because you do not belong to my sheep. My sheep hear my voice.”

There are only two kinds of people in this world... those who hear truth and respond, and those who are unwilling to hear truth and reject it.

There are no others.

Even the most “unchurched” of our founding fathers knew that there was self evident truth, even if they did not always agree on WHAT that truth was, they sought it out, the reasoned it out, because they did believe IN it.

Even the Bible does not ask you to mindlessly believe, but commands rather:

Come now, and let us reason together, saith the LORD: though your sins be as scarlet, they shall be as white as snow; though they be red like crimson, they shall be as wool.

If ye be willing and obedient, ye shall eat the good of the land: But if ye refuse and rebel, ye shall be devoured with the sword: for the mouth of the LORD hath spoken [it].

Are really just tired of the Truth?


85 posted on 07/21/2007 10:37:15 PM PDT by RachelFaith (Doing NOTHING... about the illegals already here IS Amnesty !!)
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