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To: Zon
Initiation of force, threat of force and fraud to be condemned. Initiation of force is the denial of reason. First, the criminal initiating force denies his own ability to reason, and secondly, it denies the victim his ability to reason.

Can you explain clearly how that bit of libertarian boilerplate has anything to do with the Keyes paragraph you quoted?

8 posted on 07/20/2007 8:59:27 PM PDT by EternalVigilance (With Republicans like these, who needs Democrats??)
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To: EternalVigilance
Can you explain clearly how that bit of libertarian boilerplate has anything to do with the Keyes [sic] paragraph you quoted?

Here is what I quoted from Keyes' paragraph: 

It's about the true starting point of moral deliberation — the principles of moral judgment, the standards, ideas and ideals of what is to be praised, what is to be blamed, what is to be honored, what is to be condemned.

Do you notice the bold that is kept intact from the original quote I posted? Good, that's a start. The true starting point of moral deliberation begins with the principle of not initiating force/harm against any person or their property.

If I'm wrong perhaps you can answer these: Perhaps initiating force by kidnapping you, molesting you, robbing you, extorting money from you, jailing you for exercising free speech, imprisoning you because you carried a gun to protect yourself in Washington DC... all are examples of the initiation of force. Which initiation of force, threat of force or fraud do you want inflicted on you? 

Or is it that you don't want force/harm initiated against yourself, but rather, you want to initiate force/harm against other people, or perhaps you want to enlist government agents to be your muscle to inflict initiation of force/harm on other people on your behalf? I think it's that last one. 

I bet you even vote for the lesser of evils, believing like every other voter that your candidate is the lesser of evils.

With each person saying their candidate is the lesser of evils, how can they all be right--especially since it begets evil? They cannot. Like religion. For each follower, their religion is the only true path to enlightenment. But how can every religion the only true path to enlightenment? They cannot.

As far as I'm concerned a person can follow any religion they want so long as they do not initiate force, thereat of force or fraud against any person or their property nor enlist any person, organization or government to initiate force/harm on their behalf.

White is black. Good is bad. Left is right...

Federal government alone creates about 3,000 new laws and regulations each year. Most of them in one way or another burden and or deprive persons and businesses full use of life and property.

These aren't your penny ante common thieves that rob a house or two a week. These are master criminals that rob tens of millions of people with nothing more than a vote and stroke of the pen. Facilitated by an incompetent main-stream media and academia.

Organized crime by the criminals for the criminals. And people continue voting for it. 

When instead, every able bodied person should be screaming from the roof tops for someone in congress to stand up and expose the massive criminality, fraud and parasitizing they inflict on honest value producing citizens. 

Honest hard working taxpayers repeatedly abused by their servant employees.

Parasitical elites aren't worthy of even the lowest minimum wage job. They're not value creators. They're value destroyers. Can you imagine if corporate boardrooms functioned like congress. 

Still, herds of true believers heard off to the polls to cast their votes.

But my guy -- my candidate -- is the lesser of evils. Least wise that's what every person thinks about their favorite candidate.

People hoodwinked into believing the ends justify the means. But what are the ends when the means -- voting for the lesser of evils -- leads to an evil end?

Voting for the lesser of evils always begets evil. The ends don't justify the means. (Those two sentences can't be honestly reconciled.) The ends justify the means only when the ends are intended to be evil. But somehow I don't think voters really intend an evil end to come from their vote. They just don't know any better.

Something to the effect of, doing the same thing repeatedly and expecting a different result is a sign of insanity. I call it voters' collective delusion.

Politics is not the solution. Politics is the problem. 

Begin the transition with voting each and every incumbent out of office. Shine the spotlight of honesty on them with the shamnesty immigration bill. Like what's happening to the global warming hoax.

Value Destroyers
versus
Value Producers


27 posted on 07/20/2007 9:41:10 PM PDT by Zon (Honesty outlives the lie, spin and deception -- It always has -- It always will.)
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