Posted on 07/21/2007 7:13:56 AM PDT by WalterSkinner
Let’s post the candidates record you support and compare.
Two Decades of the most crappy presidenting imaginable; no leadership to be found; a idiotic populace who vote with the same brain cells as they use to vote for the American idols. A piece of trash like barok Husien obomination is viewed as presidential timber. The rat party selling out our mislead fighting forces. Spending out of control. Rampant corruption. The invasion from the soft underbelly of the southern border. A crime wave thats met with fools trying to abolish the DEATH PEANALTY and coddling prisoners.
This once great nation has become so fouled up beyond recognition that sane people are dispirited and totally disillusioned. The next election is make or break. Can't afford to let the rats win; the most able and skilled candidate needs to be nominated. We cannot afford to luxuriate in our ideology when the fate of the nation is at stake. There may be other times for the better man, now we need the better candidate.
Bump for later reading. Go Duncan Hunter!
“Can’t afford to let the rats win; the most able and skilled candidate needs to be nominated.”
The most able and skilled candidates are what have given us all the bad that you mentioned above in your reply # 102.
And he seemed plausible after the totally lackluster Dole the party hacks put up against bubba’s second term. I wasn’t fooled and I suspect most of you weren’t either; we could all see right through him and saw the glaring lack of ability and superficialism. I hated that I had to vote for someone as dreadful, lest something worse befall the nation.
That cant happen again. Ma Bush ran out of siblings.
Nevertheless the great conundrum before us will not be solved by a justifiable emotional pick of someone who is now polling a fraction of a measly one percent with 4 other losing worthies. And that’s of republicans, not the nation as a whole. Why cannot a devastating fact like that penetrate some skulls here?
The political situation in the USA is dire and deteriorating. The sooner what there is of the DH faithful get real the better for all of us.
“That is ancient history and its about a haplessly lame duck who is beyond lame, but a double amputee. The party fed us a bill of goods of the wonders of nepotism, how wonderful it will be 2 presidential elections ago.”
You are referring only to President Bush. I was talking about Dole, Clinton, Carter and several others. I believe that the problem is that people here a name on the news over and over and believe that is the person who they can back without finding out what that person stands for.
I no longer believe the “can’t beat ______” arguement. This nation as a whole is being hoodwinked into voting based on all kinds of arguements other than what the candidate believes and what actions back up the candidates words.
I also see that lesser candidates can have a large impact on the nominee even if they do not get a majority of the votes at the convention.
By the way, I am a Hunter supporter. I have looked at what the man has done over the last several years.
That said, I am not against most of the Republican candidates, but I am against some. I can not see any difference between Rudy and Hillary. Not even honesty.
McCain is going further and further to the left as the years pass. Add to that that he is out for himself. I don’t think he really cares about anyone else. I can not vote for either of these 2 and have my conscience intact.
I don’t know a lot about Romney, but I really have to wonder about him after the gay marriages he helped along in Mass. and other of his actions.
I agree that Hunter is very low in polling. That does not mean he has not done a good job as a Government servant.
I do not know if Fred Thompson or Newt Gingrich will get in the race, so I will not comment on them.
The rest I have some strong agreements with and a few disagreements with.
“I agree that Hunter is very low in polling. That does not mean he has not done a good job as a Government servant.”
[...servant}... you stumbled into the truth. We need a leader, not a servant.
Thanks for that insight.
“[...servant}... you stumbled into the truth. We need a leader, not a servant.”
Actually, no I did not stumble. Part of the problem with elections is that the person elected and the people doing the electing look that the elected as a leader and forget the reason they are a leader is that they are, first, foremost, and last a servant of “the people”.
Are you denying that a president has to lead the nation and not just respond to polls and focus groups?
In case you havent noticed, we are getting Neither of the above.
Fred Thompson’s voting record on immigration with only two terms in office.
http://profiles.numbersusa.com/improfile.php3?DistSend=TN&VIPID=743
Voted in 1996 to continue chain migration
Voted to strip legal reforms from 1996 bill
Voted in favor of chain migration in 1996
Voted for a foreign worker bill with no anti-fraud measures in 2000.
As Committee member, produced H-1B doubling bill in 1998
Nearly doubled H-1B foreign high-tech workers in 1998
Voted in committee against including worker safeguards in H-1B bill in 1998
Voted to allow firms to lay off Americans to make room for foreign workers in 1998
Voted to allow firms to lay off Americans to make room for foreign workers in 1998
Voted to grant amnesty to close to one million illegal aliens from Nicaragua and Cuba in 1997
In 1996, removed higher fines for businesses which hire illegal aliens
Tried to kill voluntary pilot programs for workplace verification in 1996
Fred Thompson is Chairman of Condoleeza Rice’s International Security Advisory Board in the State Dept. (see information below).
Duncan Hunter: Vietnam combat veteran, 173rd Airborne and 75th Army Rangers, Bronze Star, and Chairman of the House Armed Services Committee until the Democrat majority was voted in during the 2006 election. Congressman Hunter continues to work in the Armed Services Committee.
Fred Thompson:
Fred Thompson voted in favor of the "1997 McCain-Feingold overhaul of campaign finance."
Fred Thompson's record on immigration:
* Voted YES on allowing more foreign workers into the US for farm work. (Jul 1998)
* Voted YES on visas for skilled workers. (May 1998)
* Voted YES on limit welfare for immigrants. (Jun 1997)
Duncan Hunter's record on immigration:
* Voted YES on preventing tipping off Mexicans about Minuteman Project. (Jun 2006)
* Voted YES on reporting illegal aliens who receive hospital treatment. (May 2004)
* Voted NO on extending Immigrant Residency rules. (May 2001)
* Voted NO on more immigrant visas for skilled workers. (Sep 1998)
* Rated 100% by FAIR, indicating a voting record restricting immigration. (Dec 2003)
Fred Thompson:
* Voted YES on extending free trade to Andean nations. (May 2002)
* Voted YES on granting normal trade relations status to Vietnam. (Oct 2001)
* Voted NO on removing common goods from national security export rules. (Sep 2001)
* Voted YES on permanent normal trade relations with China. (Sep 2000)
* Voted YES on expanding trade to the third world. (May 2000)
* Voted YES on renewing 'fast track' presidential trade authority. (Nov 1997)
* Voted YES on imposing trade sanctions on Japan for closed market. (May 1995)
Duncan Hunter:
* Voted NO on implementing CAFTA, Central America Free Trade. (Jul 2005)
* Voted YES on implementing US-Australia Free Trade Agreement. (Jul 2004)
* Voted NO on implementing US-Singapore free trade agreement. (Jul 2003)
* Voted NO on implementing free trade agreement with Chile. (Jul 2003)
* Voted YES on withdrawing from the WTO. (Jun 2000)
* Voted NO on 'Fast Track' authority for trade agreements. (Sep 1998)
* Rated 24% by CATO, indicating a pro-fair trade voting record. (Dec 2002)
Fred Thompson:
* Voted YES on permanent normal trade relations with China. (Sep 2000) [under "Free Trade"]
Duncan Hunter:
* Voted NO on Permanent Normal Trade Relations with China. (May 2000) [under "Foreign Policy]
http://www.state.gov/t/isn/isab/
International Security Advisory Board (ISAB)
The Secretary of State’s International Security Advisory Board (formerly called the Arms Control and Nonproliferation Advisory Board (ACNAB)) provides the Department with independent insight and advice on all aspects of arms control, disarmament, international security, and related aspects of public diplomacy. The ISAB is sponsored and overseen by the Under Secretary for Arms Control and International Security. The Board provides its recommendations directly to the Secretary of State. The Board currently has 20 members and is chartered to have up to 25. Board members are national security experts with scientific, military, diplomatic, and political backgrounds. The Board meets in a plenary session on a quarterly basis.
Updated: April 19, 2007
http://www.state.gov/t/isn/isab/c17650.htm
Board Members
— Senator Fred Thompson (Chairman)
— Dr. Michael R. Anastasio
— Dr. Kathleen Bailey
— Dr. Ashton B. Carter
— Ms. Alison B. Fortier
— Dr. William Graham
— Amb. Robert Joseph
— Mr. Mitchel B. Kugler
— Dr. Ronald F. Lehman, II
— Vice Admiral Robert R. Monroe, U.S. Navy (Ret.)
— Dr. Gordon C. Oehler
— Dr. Keith B. Payne
— Dr. Robert L. Pfaltzgraff, Jr.
— Senator Charles S. Robb
— Dr. C. Paul Robinson
— Dr. Amy Sands
— Dr. James R. Schlesinger
— Dr. William Schneider, Jr
— Dr. William Van Cleave
— Mr. R. James Woolsey
Bob Dornan Secretary of Defense
Rudy Homeland security
Willard Sec of commerce
Duncan Sec of state
McPain WH dog catcher and scullary maid
Attn Gen Laura Ingraham
HUD Michael Savage
Well you’all get the idea...
“Are you denying that a president has to lead the nation and not just respond to polls and focus groups?”
No. I am just stating that elected officials and the rest of us need to be reminded that they are supposed to lead because their job is to serve “we the people”.
That’s essentially what i said.
“That’s essentially what i said.”
Thanks for clarifying that. I have met people who think elected officials are only to serve “we the people” and others that only think elected officials are to lead.
You are correct that they are to do one by way of the other. Serve by way of leading.
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