Giuliani Has Connection With Accused Priest

Worcester Telegram ^ | 7/22/7 | Shaun Sutner

[calcowgirl]

“Bernard Kerik, because Sandy Berger is unavailable.” :)

ROFL!

[balch3]

Try to spin this, RINObots.

[FreeReign]

Supporting Rudy does not get you banned-- Oh, but it will get you threatened.

Switch the name of the candidate, and the same happens on other boards too.

I'm not defending the practice. Just telling you what reality is, that's all.

[balch3]

Amen.

[dsc]

“Not to be too technical, but I think he’s more a homo than a pedophile -— I believe his personal accusation he’s facing is sexually abusing a teenage boy. Many make the mistake of characterizing the sex scandals among the priesthood as being “pedophilia” when it reality, it’s really because the church opened the floodgates to gays being ordained, and they then became chicken hawks, preying on young men (rather than pre-pubescent children, per se).”

Can’t be repeated too often. Especialy because it’s no innocent mistake. The homosexuals try to deflect the blame by placing it on “pedophiles.”

[ellery]

Here 'tis -- the list...so far. In addition to Ravenel and Vitter, here's just a partial rundown of Giuliani cronies who resigned or were removed from office because of lies, corruption and/or alleged law-breaking.

He appointed high school dropout and former driver Bernard Kerik to NYC Police Commissioner and pushed him for Homeland Security Chief. Kerik turned out to be corrupt and reportedly mob-connected. Giuliani later testified that he had been briefed on Kerik's lawbreaking -- yet he pushed him for the top anti-terrorism post in the country, and then went into business with him.

For NYC Chancellor of Education, Giuliani pushed Leon Goldstein, who later was forced to withdraw his candidacy in disgrace because of allegations that he lied about his qualifications.

http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=990CE0DB1539F93BA1575AC0A963958260

In 1995, Giuliani pushed Leonard Piccoli to an executive director job in NYC's public hospitals organization, despite the fact that Piccoli had been forced to resign from the same job in 1985 due to alleged substantial contracts and ethics violations.

http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=990CE6DC1739F93AA25756C0A963958260

One of Giuliani's closest political allies in NYC, Guy Velella, pled guilty to and served time for taking bribes in return for awarding government contracts.

''I endorsed him, I support him, I've worked with him, I know what a good job he's done for New York City and for the Bronx,'' Mr. Giuliani said. The mayor said he thought the disclosures about the criminal investigation would not seriously damage the senator.

http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9B02E3DF1639F930A35752C1A9669C8B63&n=Top%2fReference%2fTimes%20Topics%2fPeople%2fV%2fVelella%2c%20Guy%20J%2e http://www.villagevoice.com/news/0420,robbins,53585,5.html

Giuliani's Probation Commissioner Raul Russi, and Deputy Probation Commissioner Louis Gelormino, later were dismissed from their jobs under Bloomberg because of their involvement in Velella's early release from jail.

http://select.nytimes.com/gst/abstract.html?res=F10914FA355F0C708DDDA90994DC404482&n=Top%2fReference%2fTimes%20Topics%2fPeople%2fV%2fVelella%2c%20Guy%20J%2e

After Ray Harding, head of NYC's Liberal Party, endorsed Giuliani, Giuliani appointed his son Russell Harding to head NYC's Housing Development Corporation -- even though Russell Harding was a college dropout with no experience in housing or finance (Giuliani chose a second son, Robert, as NYC's budget director, and later promoted him to deputy mayor). Russell Harding later pled guilty to embezzling hundreds of thousands in public funds, and to possessing child pornography.

http://www.villagevoice.com/news/0512,robbins2,62314,5.html

The Russell case brought down another of Giuliani's top appointees. Giuliani appointed Richard Roberts (son-in-law of Vernon Jordan) as NYC Housing Commissioner, and Chairman of the Health and Hospitals Corporation; Roberts was later convicted of perjury related to a $38,000 SUV Russell Harding bought him with city funds.

http://www.villagevoice.com/news/0436,robbins2,56554,5.html

Giuliani appointed his lifelong friend, Louis Carbonetti, Commissioner of NYC's Community Assistance Unit. Carbonetti had to resign when news came out that he had allegedly failed to disclose more than $100,000 in business debts and back taxes and held two driver's licenses with slightly different names at the same time. He pleaded guilty in 2004 to perjury. Carbonetti's son, Anthony Carbonetti, was Giuliani's chief of staff and is now his senior political adviser.

http://www.newsday.com/news/local/longisland/politics/ny-lijani255229113may25,0,729089.story?coll=ny-lipolitics-headlines

Giuliani's friend Alan Placa was hired on at Giuliani Partners after Placa, a Long Island Priest, was barred from the ministry because of allegations of sexual abuse and using his role as a spiritual adviser to gain information from victims to strengthen the diocese's legal position.

http://www.poynter.org/column.asp?id=46&aid=19106

When Giuliani promoted Kerik to Police Commissioner, he appointed William J. Fraser to replace him as Correction Commissioner. Fraser resigned in 2002 amid reports that he had paid Correction employees to work on his home, and had allegedly pushed them to work on Pataki's reelection campaign.

http://select.nytimes.com/gst/abstract.html?res=F60A13F73C5C0C748EDDA80994DA404482

Anthony Serra, a Giuliani campaign volunteer and high-ranking official in Giuliani's Dept. of Correction (in charge of all the jails on Riker's Island), resigned after being charged with stealing city property and ordering correction officers to renovate his home.

http://select.nytimes.com/gst/abstract.html?res=F40913FB395B0C728DDDAC0894DB404482&n=Top%2fReference%2fTimes%20Topics%2fOrganizations%2fR%2fRikers%20Island%20Prison%20Complex

In 1994, Giuliani appointed Anthony Schembri to Correction Commissioner. Shembri resigned a year later after disclosures that used a workday to make a paid speech in Atlantic City, had the city regularly pay overtime and tolls for department drivers on errands to Rye, N.Y., where he had been Police Commissioner, and broke the law by never establishing a residence in the City. Shcembri went on to head Florida's troubled Juvenile Justice Dept.

http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9C02E0D71630F937A15752C1A962958260

http://www.sptimes.com/2004/05/13/Citrus/Colleagues__friends_h.shtml

Giuliani hired former Corrections Dept. Chief of Staff John Picciano at Giuliani Partners. Picciano, a close friend of Kerik's, was accused of assaulting his girlfriend and threatening her with his gun in 1998. But he was never arrested. According to Terrence Skinner, a retired corrections supervisor, "{Kerik} told me that I should basically pretend it never happened." Picciano left Giuliani Partners one day after Kerik abruptly resigned.

http://www.officer.com/article/article.jsp?id=19361&siteSection=1

Giuliani appointed Michael Carey, a son of former Gov. Hugh L. Carey, to head NYC's Economic Development Corp. According to a "scathing" audit covering the last 18 months of Giuliani's administration and the first six months of Bloomberg's, the organization was used as a "little bank account for the mayor's office" -- paying for mayoral aides' cars, lavish parties and out-of-town trips. For example, the audit states that it paid more than $11K for Carey's going-away party, and $7K for the going-away-party of Catherine Giuliani, the organization's chief of staff. It also bought at least 11 cars for the mayor's office during Giuliani's administration.

http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9900E2DC143FF933A25753C1A9659C8B63

http://www.accessmylibrary.com/premium/0286/0286-8873007.html

[no dems]

You don’t think that the Dems would bring something like this up in the General Election campaign if Rudy is the nominee do you? /s

[George W. Bush]

I guess... if one is a Republican. I actually am not, I am registered independent, but I usually, though not always, support the "R".

Well, that's okay. We partisan hacks can watch and see which candidate all the indies go for (you're probably the only one we've got LOL).

You'll be very popular, flagged to 35,000 posts per day.

[Proud2BAmerican]

Of course, because it really supports the argument that so many have made about the priesthood — it simply makes NO sense to allow gays in the priesthood. It’s like hiring alcoholics to bartend. Sure, they may have gone through 12-steps and vowed never to touch a drink again — but if you are running a business, does it make even the slightest bit of sense to go out on that limb?

[dsc]

“does it make even the slightest bit of sense to go out on that limb?”

Not that I can see.

Speaking of going out on limbs...it is my belief that same sex attraction disorder was introduced to mankind by Old Scratch himself. One cannot be “right” in every area and yet embrace SSAD. It contaminates the entire worldview. How could a man so contaminated be fit for the priesthood?

[1COUNTER-MORTER-68]

Here ‘tis — the list...so far. In addition to Ravenel and Vitter, here’s just a partial rundown of Giuliani cronies who resigned or were removed from office because of lies, corruption and/or alleged law-breaking.
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Here ‘tizz~~Sen.Vitter(R)Louisiana is still in office,,,
FYI: If he leaves office Gov.Blank-Stare Blanco(D)La. Will
Appoint a dem. for his replacement at this time,,,
Cong.Bobby Jindal(R)La. Will be the next Gov. of this state,
(60-65% polls),,,We can wait till fall...;0)

[ellery]

If you wouldn’t support Paul even if he were the GOP nominee, why is it so hard to believe that some of us could not support Giuliani were he to be nominated?

[MrEdd]

In discussions with one parent of a sex-abuse victim, Placa used the word “ephebophilia” to describe one priest’s abuse. So many words... and it is all so wrong.

It is part of the pedophile agenda. Have been seeing the same thing here at Free Republic, tolorated by posters for some time.

Break the abuse into smaller sections.

Allege that some sections are more damaging than others.

Gradually promote the concept that the sections you say are less damaging are, in fact - not damaging.

Thus we are seeing right here at FR to promotion of separating pedophilia - legally sex with minors in US Law, Into pedophilia being sex with pre pubescent minors, and pederasty - sex with post pubescent minors. This is a sociological distinction that has the effect of law in Europe and in Islamic countries. The attempt to make a legal distinction between the two is a calculated strategy to erode legal protections for children in the US.

Note that the determining factor for sexual accessability becomes physiological development, not mental or social experiential age.

It is like the hedonistic slogan, "when they're big enough, they're old enough. It isn't an accident, and people who make this distinction do it for a purpose that has everything to do with promoting their own desires.

If you look at the literature of The Stonewall Veterans, And Rooty's other associates you will see this same pattern.

[Palladin]

Well said. Surely the Republican Party can do better than Rudy for the nomination next year.

And I do not believe the Rudy propagandists who say he is the only one who can beat Hillary. I believe that either Fred Thonpson or Mitt Romney could beat Hillary handily.

[Palladin]

Bookmarking this information and keeping it close to beat down the Giuliani-bots.

[ElkGroveDan]

Can we get a bug-zapper SUMMER thread graphic, Spiff? I see there’s at least one ZOT already

[finnman69]

Switch the name of the candidate, and the same happens on other boards too. I'm not defending the practice. Just telling you what reality is, that's all.

Names and examples?

[ellery]

I’ll not support Rudy either. When I was a NYC civil servant he was my boss. He’s a mean, arrogant little man.

Oooo, tell us more! (my condolences for having to work for the guy).

[ellery]

Sorry, you’re correct — Vitter remains Giuliani’s Southern Regional Chairman.

[ellery]

Please feel free to use it whenever/wherever you see fit.