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Tammy Faye Messner, Gay Icon
Slate ^ | July 23, 2007 | Michelle Tsai

Posted on 07/25/2007 6:25:09 AM PDT by paudio

By the time Tammy Faye Messner died Friday, the outspoken, fake-eyelash-donning 65-year-old had gone from Christian televangelist to reviled woman to gay icon. How did Messner become a gay icon?

With fabulousness and honesty. Tammy Faye's religious background made her an unlikely object for this kind of adulation, but in many ways she had the classic profile of a gay icon. Like many others, she became celebrated for her perseverance. She fell from grace (and lost much of her money) when it was discovered that her husband, Jim Bakker, had cheated on her and swindled their followers out of $158 million. But Tammy Faye talked openly about her pain on TV and stood by her man after his conviction, singing at a press conference, "On Christ the solid rock I stand/ All other ground is sinking sand." Her refusal to change her unique style—runny mascara, gawdy jewelry, and all—also made her icon-worthy.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Extended News; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: christianity; gay; homosexualagenda; letsmoveonplease; marines; michelletsai; slate; tammy; tammyfaye; tammyfayemessner
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I read the other day about her being a gay icon. I didn't understand why. After reading this, still don't. OTOH, kudos to Donna Summer!
1 posted on 07/25/2007 6:25:12 AM PDT by paudio
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To: paudio

I watched a documentary on her last night. She would visit the Gay AIDS victims at facilities and minister to them.


2 posted on 07/25/2007 6:31:50 AM PDT by LaineyDee (Don't mess with Texas wimmen!)
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To: stm
Personally, I think that's why it's happening. I think that making her an icon is a way to stick their finger in the eye of Christians.

Homosexuals are full of hate, and they show it in many odd ways.

4 posted on 07/25/2007 6:36:12 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy (Progressives like to keep doing the things that didn't work in the past.)
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To: LaineyDee

I didn’t know that. Did she visit her husband in prison?


5 posted on 07/25/2007 6:36:43 AM PDT by AppyPappy (If you aren't part of the solution, there is good money to be made prolonging the problem.)
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To: stm

She knew, they all came to her book signings.


6 posted on 07/25/2007 6:36:47 AM PDT by Talking_Mouse (O Lord, destroy Islam by converting the Muslims to Christianity.)
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To: paudio
How did Messner become a gay icon?
With fabulousness and honesty.

Oh.

7 posted on 07/25/2007 6:36:57 AM PDT by martin_fierro (< |:)~)
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To: paudio
gawdy jewelry, and all

SPELL CHECK! gaudy, no?

8 posted on 07/25/2007 6:36:58 AM PDT by Tirian
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To: paudio

They probably stand in awe of her makeup inventory.


9 posted on 07/25/2007 6:37:45 AM PDT by Past Your Eyes (Some people are too stupid to be ashamed.)
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To: paudio

Gays seem to love to make icons out of train wrecks.


10 posted on 07/25/2007 6:38:14 AM PDT by dfwgator (The University of Florida - Still Championship U)
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To: martin_fierro

11 posted on 07/25/2007 6:44:04 AM PDT by Past Your Eyes (Some people are too stupid to be ashamed.)
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To: paudio

In her interview with Larry King, she said something to the effect that when she was down and out, it was “the gay people” who came to her and encouraged her. Or something like that. I still didn’t get it, even after that explanation.


12 posted on 07/25/2007 6:46:38 AM PDT by ChocChipCookie (Homeschool like your kids' lives depend on it.)
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To: paudio

To my shame I saw Tammy Faye on the “Surreal Life” (guilty pleasure number 358 that I indulge in). She was surprisingly dignified and compelling. RIP.


13 posted on 07/25/2007 6:51:25 AM PDT by Greg F (<><)
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To: paudio

I have a long held, deep, abiding faith in God.

I have no faith at all in the institutions of man raised up in worship of God.

This woman is the personification of why I feel this way about any Church. One of many actually.....


14 posted on 07/25/2007 6:52:03 AM PDT by Badeye (You know its a kook site when they ban the word 'kook')
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To: paudio

Until she died, I never knew Tammy Faye was a ‘gay icon.’ Those nutty homosexuals!


15 posted on 07/25/2007 6:53:58 AM PDT by MEGoody (Ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.)
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To: AppyPappy

I know she visited him a few times at first. They barely mentioned it. Most of the show was about her struggle with cancer.


16 posted on 07/25/2007 6:54:31 AM PDT by LaineyDee (Don't mess with Texas wimmen!)
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To: LaineyDee

BARF!


17 posted on 07/25/2007 6:54:55 AM PDT by Coldwater Creek
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To: martin_fierro

...and sincerity ...heh,heh,heh...


18 posted on 07/25/2007 6:55:43 AM PDT by badgerlandjim (Hillary Clinton is to politics as Helen Thomas is to beauty)
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To: ClearCase_guy
Tammy Faye was spiritually false as her inch long eyelashes!
19 posted on 07/25/2007 6:56:10 AM PDT by Coldwater Creek
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To: stm
I’ll bet she’s spinning in her grave knowing she’s an icon for assbanditos

I read an article (here on FR I think) that a homosexual pastor who was a friend of her husband's performed the funeral service. My guess would be that Tammy Faye didn't have a problem with being a 'homosexual icon'.

I wonder what the Lord said to her about that when she saw Him.

20 posted on 07/25/2007 6:56:15 AM PDT by MEGoody (Ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.)
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To: Greg F
I thought exactly the same thing. She was very classy.

The reason she is a gay icon is due to her deep friendship with Jim J Bullock.

21 posted on 07/25/2007 6:57:58 AM PDT by Manic_Episode (Some mornings, it's just not worth chewing through the leather straps...)
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To: Badeye

Keep your eyes on Jesus, not humans. They will fail you every time.


22 posted on 07/25/2007 6:57:58 AM PDT by Coldwater Creek
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To: stm
I’ll bet she’s spinning in her grave knowing she’s an icon for assbanditos.

I would have thought that, too, but I check out the DUmmies board about every other day. Every time someone there would spew venom on her (remembering only the PTL days) someone else would come to her defense, based mainly on her mutual embrace of the gay community.

23 posted on 07/25/2007 6:58:04 AM PDT by hunter112 (Change will happen when very good men are forced to do very bad things.)
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To: Badeye

Make that mortals, hot humans.


24 posted on 07/25/2007 6:58:36 AM PDT by Coldwater Creek
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To: dfwgator

That’s true. Judy Garland comes to mind. Maybe because they are ultimately self-destructive themselves.


25 posted on 07/25/2007 6:58:38 AM PDT by DManA
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To: Coldwater Creek

Keep your eyes on Jesus, not humans. They will fail you every time.

A phrase from a Gettysburg monument comes to mind (was just there last week on vacation):

We have faith in God, but we kept our powder dry.


26 posted on 07/25/2007 7:02:45 AM PDT by Badeye (You know its a kook site when they ban the word 'kook')
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To: Badeye
This woman is the personification of why I feel this way about any Church. One of many actually.....

I used to feel that way too.....until I realized that church wasn't about getting what "I" need or want...but a place where I could give to others......whether it be prayer, ministering or comfort.

I am wary of judging people's hearts by the way their outside looks. Some of the most godly people I know....sport leather, tattoos and drive harley's. My take on Tammy Faye and Jan Crouch with all their makeup...is that they never came out of the 60's. Everyone wore the eyelashes, big hair and gawdy stuff back then. Some recovered, some didn't. :)

27 posted on 07/25/2007 7:03:33 AM PDT by LaineyDee (Don't mess with Texas wimmen!)
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To: martin_fierro

Is that a gay Princess Leia in the picture on the right?


28 posted on 07/25/2007 7:05:16 AM PDT by reagan_fanatic (This space left intentionally blank)
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To: Badeye

we kept our powder dry but our mascara was very wet!


29 posted on 07/25/2007 7:08:32 AM PDT by ari-freedom
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To: Manic_Episode
The reason she is a gay icon is due to her deep friendship with Jim J Bullock.

And Jim Bakker was "on the down low" as well.

30 posted on 07/25/2007 7:08:32 AM PDT by dfwgator (The University of Florida - Still Championship U)
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To: ClearCase_guy; stm

stm wrote: I’ll bet she’s spinning in her grave knowing she’s an icon for assbanditos

you wrote: I think that making her an icon is a way to stick their finger in the eye of Christians.
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Pretty clear that neither of you have read the story at the link provided in this thread. Nice picture of Tammy Faye at the gay film festival Outfest. A quote from her interview with Larry King is in order: “When I went — when we lost everything, it was the gay people that came to my rescue, and I will always love them for that.”


31 posted on 07/25/2007 7:10:07 AM PDT by dmz
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To: Coldwater Creek

How do you know that? Judging her from her outward appearance doesn’t mean you know her heart. That’s the trouble with Christians. We LOVE to judge other Christians, to our shame and God is NOT happy with us when we do that. We should have been praying for her and encouraging her growth. Not ONE of us is perfect. How may AIDS patients have you or even I visited?


32 posted on 07/25/2007 7:20:22 AM PDT by Marysecretary (GOD IS STILL IN CONTROL.)
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To: MEGoody

He probably said, Well done, thou good and faithful servant. HE knew her heart. YOU do not.


33 posted on 07/25/2007 7:21:36 AM PDT by Marysecretary (GOD IS STILL IN CONTROL.)
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To: ClearCase_guy
I think that making her an icon is a way to stick their finger in the eye of Christians.

If one person can come to Christ through making her an icon, then I'll volunteer to be the Christian that has their eye poked.

34 posted on 07/25/2007 7:21:53 AM PDT by Greg F (<><)
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To: dmz

I’m sure many Christians were overjoyed at her fall from grace. How many came to her and embraced her and tried to help her? Gays are humans too and many of them are truly good people. I hate their lifestyle but I love them. God does no less...


35 posted on 07/25/2007 7:24:14 AM PDT by Marysecretary (GOD IS STILL IN CONTROL.)
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To: paudio

She was right.
Do what ya do—and **** what “They Say”!


36 posted on 07/25/2007 7:27:38 AM PDT by gunnyg
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To: Coldwater Creek

You think there’s a problem with that? I gotta say, you’re pretty twisted and not very Christian if so.


37 posted on 07/25/2007 7:32:32 AM PDT by MinnesotaLibertarian
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To: LaineyDee

I used to feel that way too.....until I realized that church wasn’t about getting what “I” need or want...but a place where I could give to others......whether it be prayer, ministering or comfort.

I respect your viewpoint on this.


38 posted on 07/25/2007 7:37:16 AM PDT by Badeye (You know its a kook site when they ban the word 'kook')
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To: ari-freedom

‘we kept our powder dry but our mascara was very wet!’

With tears of ‘joy’ of course....(chuckle)

They lost me when I learned they had a dog house fur lined and air conditioned...and I love dogs.


39 posted on 07/25/2007 7:38:12 AM PDT by Badeye (You know its a kook site when they ban the word 'kook')
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To: Marysecretary
How may AIDS patients have you or even I visited?

Well, when the "Christian" that you are directing your comment to learned that she did that, he reaction was to say "BARF".

Sometimes I wonder whether so many "Christians" in America know anything about the actual life of Jesus, rather than the judgmental, sometimes hateful, propaganda they are spoon fed.
40 posted on 07/25/2007 7:45:59 AM PDT by MinnesotaLibertarian
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To: Badeye

You said it badeye!!!
100% agree


41 posted on 07/25/2007 7:50:25 AM PDT by whipitgood (Let's burn some MEXICAN flags!)
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To: Badeye

Calling her a Christian in the first place stretches reality.


42 posted on 07/25/2007 7:51:20 AM PDT by whipitgood (Let's burn some MEXICAN flags!)
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To: MEGoody

Christians should minister to homosexuals. That said, I would say that Tammy Faye did not choose HER ministers very well . . .


43 posted on 07/25/2007 7:52:32 AM PDT by Greg F (<><)
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To: whipitgood

Thanks.


44 posted on 07/25/2007 7:59:12 AM PDT by Badeye (You know its a kook site when they ban the word 'kook')
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To: whipitgood

‘Calling her a Christian in the first place stretches reality.’

Not my place to say, and I suspect she’s had an interesting ‘journey’ since passing.


45 posted on 07/25/2007 8:00:00 AM PDT by Badeye (You know its a kook site when they ban the word 'kook')
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To: whipitgood

Exactly. TO say she didn’t know what her husband was doing is just comical. If your husband is a preacher,a nd he’s bringing hom millions of dollars, who wouldn’t know the church members weren’t being fleeced.

Paul, the Apostle, my personal hero was a tent maker, and lived in a rented house in Rome, and never took a cent from anyone. Jesus gives us everything freely, and we are to give freely. We aren’t to be money-obsessed black holes of greed. I guess Jesus said that it’s easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than a rich man (or woman) to get into Heaven, for His health.


46 posted on 07/25/2007 8:03:32 AM PDT by Bladerunnuh
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To: stm

re: spinning in her grave. Tammy Faye was cremated.


47 posted on 07/25/2007 8:05:52 AM PDT by I. Ben Hurt
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To: Tirian; paudio
gawdy jewelry, and all

SPELL CHECK! gaudy, no?

This jewelry is so awful it makes you say Oh Gawd! Maybe if you misspell it, you aren't taking the Lord's name in vain.

48 posted on 07/25/2007 8:06:54 AM PDT by MrEdd (Keeping my foot on the necks of liberals since 1980.)
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To: Past Your Eyes
He's FFFFRRRREEEE! And he loves to be free!
Does Rush still use that guy as bumper music?
49 posted on 07/25/2007 8:10:10 AM PDT by MrEdd (Keeping my foot on the necks of liberals since 1980.)
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To: Marysecretary
How do you know that I do not have the gift of discernment?

Aids has nothing to do with Tammy’s shallowness.

50 posted on 07/25/2007 8:14:51 AM PDT by Coldwater Creek
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