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We must start thinking of what Islam holds dear, and hold it hostage to any future attacks by WMD.
1 posted on 07/26/2007 4:32:46 AM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Hell, man! That’s what nukes is for!


2 posted on 07/26/2007 4:36:35 AM PDT by gridlock (Peace is Not and Option)
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Or, maybe even some preemptive attacks!
3 posted on 07/26/2007 4:36:47 AM PDT by Coldwater Creek
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American traitors: "Deterrence? Sorry, we are busy groveling and offering the necks of the American people
so that WE might be taken .... last."

4 posted on 07/26/2007 4:40:05 AM PDT by Diogenesis (Igitur qui desiderat pacem, praeparet bellum)
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We must start thinking of what Islam holds dear, and hold it hostage to any future attacks by WMD.

We must decide which of the Republican candidates will be most hawkish when it comes to retaliation or, more importantly, to aggressiveness. We need to destroy them and their ridiculous 'holy cities' before they touch the USA.

So far I've seen only one candidate that meets that criteria and he doesn't stand a chance because he's not connected to the CFR: Tom Tancredo.

5 posted on 07/26/2007 4:40:53 AM PDT by GFritsch ('All men will hate you because of me, but he who stands firm to the end will be saved'." -)
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Sorry Stephen, you cannot be more badly mistaken.

If targeting Qom, Medina and Mecca was our deterrence policy, then the UN would condemn us, leaders from all over the world would label us crusaders.

What everyone seems not to understand is this is not merely a holy war. It is a war about statist totalitarianism which uses religion as its terrorist.

The war is the State vs Religion with human liberty as the hindrance. The US is a stepping stone in the war and the elitists in the US senate use this theory to steal from the American people while using politics to cover their tracks.

There is a solution. A very simple solution. Term Limits. Self serving politicians with their own political and financial agendas cannot be trusted with running our country. Period.

People think Reid, Pelosi, Clinton, Boxer are leftists. Bullcrap! They are common criminals who use the political process to steal from Americans and cover their tracks with investigations against the opposition. They foment a mob mentality in the ideologues while their attorneys sweep in the cash from frivolous lawsuits designed to paralyze the government.

They could care less about the nation. Because when the fur starts to fly, they will all be in St. Croix or in their European dachas while we are left to defend ourselves.


6 posted on 07/26/2007 4:49:00 AM PDT by EQAndyBuzz (Not all Liberals are Communists, but all Communists are Liberals.)
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The problem is Islam.

Until the world finds the b@lls to acknowledge it... AND CONFRONT IT... we will continue to flail in the dark.

8 posted on 07/26/2007 4:50:52 AM PDT by johnny7 ("But that one on the far left... he had crazy eyes")
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I’ve been advocating this for YEARS! When we get serious about identifying our true enemies we will begin to make headway in this war against religious totalitarianism.
9 posted on 07/26/2007 4:51:12 AM PDT by rightwingextremist1776
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This sounds an awful lot like the plot line of Nelson DeMille’s new book, “Wildfire”. Seems the article’s author may have been influenced by some of the same ideas. If you’ve not read it yet, it is interesting.

The nuke solution isn’t workable, IMHO. Too many issues with radiation, drift of fallout, etc. Conventional weapons could be just as effective as a counterstrike.


13 posted on 07/26/2007 5:12:03 AM PDT by the lone haranguer
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In addition to threatening Mecca, etc., I would like to see our military add pork products to our weapons arsenal. Bullets should be dipped in pork fat. Every soldier should carry pork rinds to stuff in the mouths of dead terrorists.

Also, I understand a muslim may not enter Paradise without his genitals, so we need to relieve them of these items when they are captured or killed.

This should convince the muslim terrorists that a trip to Paradise is not a sure thing, & remove the incentive for martyrdom.


14 posted on 07/26/2007 5:19:30 AM PDT by Mister Da (The mark of a wise man is not what he knows, but what he knows he doesn't know!)
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But it would surely make Arab states, their governments, and their people, begin to question the wisdom of whatever levels of overt and/or tacit support is being provided to terror groups.

Surely. And the answer to that question would be to double their support for said terror groups, to appease the mobs in the streets and stave off their own overthrow.

Our soldiers in Iraq and Afghanistan who are befriending local children and showing them a different face of America are the only ones who seem to get it. Nothing can be done to scare today's generation of terrorists - they are just going to have to be identified and killed. The key is to deny the imams the next generation of recruits by countering the massive anti-Western Arab propaganda industry. Bombing the holy cities would be a big step in the opposite direction - it would just confirm the lies of the imams.

And consider what Christianity "holds dear". Did anyone in the Vatican care when the Palestinians desecrated Joseph's Tomb? Southern Baptist leaders would probably do a tap dance if Muslims assassinated the Pope. Mormons aren't too interested in the results of the peace process in Northern Ireland. Similarly, Sunni Muslims aren't going to shed a tear if Qom gets bombed in the the course of a retaliatory strike on Iran, and Al Qaeda isn't going to worry too much about the fate of Mecca and Medina as long as they can successfully detonate a nuclear bomb in New York City.

"Islam" is too broad a concept to be seriously wounded by such symbolic strikes - great as the idea's appeal is to the egos of many observers.

15 posted on 07/26/2007 5:30:21 AM PDT by Mr. Jeeves ("Wise men don't need to debate; men who need to debate are not wise." -- Tao Te Ching)
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I've been thinking and posting for years about how one can deter attacks by someone who, a- wants to die, and b- thinks starting world armageddon is mandated so that the Mahdi will come. It's really not an easy question.

For instance, if we targeted Muslim cities, this would play into the hands of the jihadis and would be perceived as infidel aggression and justification for more deadly attacks.

Even in their own end-time prophecies, it is written that there will be "an end to the Hajj", which suggests to me that Mecca will someday be uninhabitable.

Even so, we do need some kind of clear, stated policy as to what we will do if we are attacked with WMD. And after we state it, we must be committed to do it.

19 posted on 07/26/2007 6:15:22 AM PDT by Sender (Be subtle! Be subtle! And use your squirrels for every kind of business.)
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"The terrorists rely a great deal on Western decency, and the pressure exerted by America's covert enemies in Europe, Canada and elsewhere, restraining the legitimate exercise of American power."
21 posted on 07/26/2007 6:24:27 AM PDT by BenLurkin
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Wild Fire
23 posted on 07/26/2007 6:33:15 AM PDT by Tribune7 (Live Earth: Pretend to Care)
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self-ping


24 posted on 07/26/2007 6:36:14 AM PDT by kalee (The offenses we give, we write in the dust; Those we take, we write in marble. JHuett)
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I think we should make it very clear to islamist states like Saudi Arabia that in the event of a major wmd attack on the U.S their country will be taken over if not completely destroyed. Give them a little incentive to deter their Jiahi idiots.


27 posted on 07/26/2007 10:15:35 AM PDT by driftless2
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But it would surely make Arab states, their governments, and their people, begin to question the wisdom of whatever levels of overt and/or tacit support is being provided to terror groups.

Yup, but add Islamabad to the target set.

29 posted on 07/26/2007 10:21:52 AM PDT by Lonesome in Massachussets (I never consented to live in the Camp of the Saints.)
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Mecca, Medina and Jerusalem are Islam.

If the three holy sites are eliminated, Islam is eliminated.


30 posted on 07/26/2007 10:24:39 AM PDT by bert (K.E. N.P. +12 . Happiness is a down sleeping bag)
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The problem is that what they hold dear is “expediency”. And you can’t target that with WMD.

They will whine and complain about a Koran being flushed, demand that shoes be removed before entering a sacred mosque, but when push comes to being shot at, they will all run into the nearest mosque with their shoes on and start shooting from behind a stack of korans.


31 posted on 07/26/2007 10:31:39 AM PDT by Philistone (Your existence as a non-believer offends the Prophet(MPBUH).)
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These suggestions continue even though it is well enough known that the islamists expect the destruction of mecha and medina as part of their apocalypse.


33 posted on 07/26/2007 10:35:45 AM PDT by RightWhale (It's Brecht's donkey, not mine)
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It won't happen, regardless of who is elected president. Our lovely elected officials can't even bring themselves to call a spade a spade when it comes to Islam. What makes anyone think they'd have the courage to actually destroy Mecca, regardless of whether we're attacked again?
35 posted on 07/26/2007 10:41:07 AM PDT by LIConFem (Thompson 2008. Lifetime ACU Rating: 86 -- Hunter 2008 (VP) Lifetime ACU Rating: 92)
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