Skip to comments.Secy. Rice: Israel Must End Occupation of 'West Bank'
Posted on 07/26/2007 5:42:49 AM PDT by SJackson
(IsraelNN.com) Speaking with Arabic-language Radio Sawa, based in Washington and Dubai, U.S. Secretary of State Condoleeza Rice went further in her demands on Israel than President Bush did in his recent speech on Israel.
Rice, about to depart for the Middle East to prepare an upcoming international meeting of regional leaders, said that President Bush recently stated "very clearly that Israel's future will rest in Israel, in places like Galilee and in the Negev - and that the occupation of the West Bank will have to end, and a Palestinian state will need to be established."
In fact, however, in his recent speech, President Bush did not phrase this as a demand upon Israel, but rather cited Prime Minister Olmert as having "made clear that Israel's future lies in developing areas like the Negev and Galilee - not in continuing occupation of the West Bank. This is a reality that Prime Minister Sharon recognized, as well. So unauthorized outposts should be removed and settlement expansion ended."
Rice Sets New Standard Pres. Bush also stopped short of saying Israel must withdraw from all of Judea and Samaria. Bush said rather that future Israel-PA negotiations must "lead to a territorial settlement, with mutually agreed borders reflecting previous lines and current realities, and mutually agreed adjustments."
By stating so clearly that the "the occupation of the West Bank will have to end," Rice has set a new standard for United States officials of her stature in opposition to Israel's presence in Judea and Samaria.
Secretary Rice did not deal with the question of what to do with the 240,000 Jews living in the non-annexed areas of Judea and Samaria (nor the roughly equal amount living in the outlying neighborhoods of Jerusalem beyond Israel's pre-1967 borders). Israel has not yet been able to solve the problems of the fewer than 10,000 Jews it evicted from Gaza two years ago; those Jews are still living in transient camps of temporary pre-fab houses, with no long-term housing or employment solutions in sight.
No Invitations Yet Secretary Rice also told Radio Sawa that "no invitations have gone out yet" for the planned meeting. "I want to talk to our allies in the region and our friends in the region about how they see and what they would see to be a useful international meeting," she said. "[It] will be, as the President said, an opportunity to review our progress. It will be an opportunity to make commitments to support the Israelis and Palestinians in their discussions, in their future negotiations... The United States doesn't want Made-in-America solutions. We need the entire population of states that are devoted to the two-state solution to work with us. And so these will be very important consultations."
Bush: Hamas - Bad, Fatah - Great President Bush, in his speech ten days ago, compared Hamas and Fatah in stark terms, painting a picture of contrasts in which the Arabs under PA jurisdiction can, seemingly, choose either evil (Hamas) or good (Fatah).
"This is a moment of clarity for all Palestinians," Bush said," and now comes a moment of choice... There is the vision of Hamas, which the world saw in Gaza - with murderers in black masks, and summary executions, and men thrown to their death from rooftops. By following this path, the Palestinian people would guarantee chaos, and suffering, and the endless perpetuation of grievance. They would surrender their future to Hamas's foreign sponsors in Syria and Iran. And they would crush the possibility of a Palestinian state."
"There's another option," Bush continued, "and that's a hopeful option. It is the vision of [Fatah] President Abbas and Prime Minister Fayyad; it's the vision of their government; it's the vision of a peaceful state called Palestine as a homeland for the Palestinian people. To realize this vision, these leaders are striving to build the institutions of a modern democracy. They're working to strengthen the Palestinian security services, so they can confront the terrorists and protect the innocent... And they're ensuring that Palestinian society operates under the rule of law. By following this path, Palestinians can reclaim their dignity and their future -- and establish a state of their own."
Rampant Fatah Terrorism and Hatred In fact, however, Fatah's Al Aqsa Martyrs Brigades have actually taken responsibility for every suicide bombing in Israel the past three years. Just this week, WorldNetDaily's Aaron Klein reports, Fatah terrorists organized yet another terrorist cell in Samaria for attacks against Israel. In addition, the 178 wanted Fatah terrorists whom Israel agreed to pardon last week if they would renounce terrorism described their hand-in of weapons as a "big joke."
Interestingly, Bush noted that Hamas men threw Fatah members out of apartment buildings during their recent battles, but neglected to mention that Fatah did the same to Hamas members.
As Caroline Glick wrote in the Jerusalem Post on Dec. 26, 2006, "If Abbas were interested in peace, he would not be demanding that Israel [do the following]: release terrorists from prison; stop arresting wanted terrorists; make it easier for terrorists to operate in Judea and Samaria by suspending IDF counterterror operations and taking down roadblocks; bring more terrorists into the areas from Jordan; arm terrorists through Egypt; and give him money to pay the salaries of terrorists."
Former Israeli Cabinet Minister Natan Sharansky succintly described the cultural milieu in the Fatah-controlled Palestinian Authority as one that promotes genocide against Jews: As in Nazi Germany, there is an entire culture of hatred in Palestinian Arab society today, from textbooks to crossword puzzles, from day camps to TV music videos. Calling for the murder of Jews, as Jews, is the end result.
Secretary Condoleezza Rice Washington, DC July 25, 2007 http://www.state.gov/secretary/rm/2007/89330.htm
QUESTION: Madame Secretary, thank you so much for giving your time. This is the first interview with Radio Sawa, and I appreciate it very much.
SECRETARY RICE: It's good to be with you.
QUESTION: To make it brief, you are going to the Middle East with Secretary Gates and it seems now it's a new situation, and especially you are going after the visit of the Iranian President to Syria, reaffirming his alliance with President Assad. What's on your mind? What would you like to achieve in this visit?
SECRETARY RICE: Well, first, it's to go and to talk with our friends and allies in the region and to make very clear that the United States is going to be very strong in its commitments to a Middle East that is transforming, a Middle East that is secure and a Middle East that is stable. And we will talk both about our important bilateral defense relationships, but also about the important political relationships that we have with allies in the region.
We will obviously talk about Lebanon, about Iraq, about Afghanistan, areas of concern where there has been some progress but where we need to make more progress.
QUESTION: You and the President, you spoke new language on asking Israel to end occupation. Do you think this will convince the Saudis to be a more active player in the coming international meeting that you are going to host?
SECRETARY RICE: Well, I certainly hope that all interested states, states that are devoted to the two-state solution, will look favorably on the international meeting that the President will call. We have work to do. There's preparation to do. There are no invitations that have gone out yet and I want to talk to our allies in the region and our friends in the region about how they see and what they would see to be a useful international meeting.
But the President is just following in the very important tradition that he's begun. He was the first to call, as a matter of policy, for a Palestinian state, for a two-state solution. He was stating very clearly that Israel's future will rest in Israel, in places like Galilee and in the Negev, and that the occupation of the West Bank will have to end and a Palestinian state will need to be established.
QUESTION: How do you feel about the Arab League first visit to Israel today? Are you pleased with this?
SECRETARY RICE: This is a very important step forward -- the Arab League's visit. It is a very good thing that the Arab League is following up on the Arab peace initiative that was reissued, in a sense, at Riyadh. It is a very good thing that Egypt and Israel are going -- Egypt and Jordan are going to Israel.
I hope that there will be more Arab states that will --
QUESTION: The Saudis?
SECRETARY RICE: Yes, well, all Arab states that will take advantage of this opening to develop an Israeli-Arab track to go alongside and to support the Israeli-Palestinian track.
QUESTION: Did you decide on the meeting -- where it's going to be? What's on your mind regarding the meeting?
SECRETARY RICE: Well, this meeting will be, as the President said, an opportunity to review our progress. It will be an opportunity to make commitments to support the Israelis and Palestinians in their discussions, in their future negotiations. But one of the reasons that I'm going to go to the region now is to consult with people on how to put this meeting together.
The United States doesn't want Made-in-America solutions. We need the entire population of states that are devoted to the two-state solution to work with us. And so these will be very important consultations.
QUESTION: I have to ask you a question about Lebanon. September is the time for the election of a new president. What can you do to help the Lebanese avoid a crisis and elect a president according to the constitution? And are you coordinating with the French on this issue?
SECRETARY RICE: We are, of course, coordinating with all of our partners concerning Lebanon and especially the French, where U.S.-French coordination has been very helpful in, first: getting Security Council resolutions that got Syria out of Lebanon, get its forces out of Lebanon; in getting the resolution that established the tribunal to prosecute the perpetrators of the assassination of Rafiq Hariri. So yes, we're coordinating very closely.
But the United States is also working very closely with the Lebanese Government, the legitimate Lebanese Government. That means in terms of economic assistance, political support, and indeed in helping, as a part of an international effort, to help the Lebanese security forces reform and become more capable. I would like to say it is a little more than a year since the war in Lebanon began in July -- on July 12th of last year. And that was a terrible experience for the Lebanese people, a terrible experience for the region and a terrible experience for the world.
But I think nobody would have expected that the Lebanese army would now be deployed throughout the country for the first time in decades, that the Lebanese army would be taking on extremists in the Palestinian camps, and yet committing to the future a better life for the people who had lived there. The Lebanese Government has done some very extraordinary work and we should recognize that.
QUESTION: There's rumors that you may visit Libya in September. Today, the French President is visiting. Can -- is this true or just --
SECRETARY RICE: Well, I don't have any dates or plans, but I certainly hope to visit Libya. Libya made an important strategic decision to get rid of its weapons of mass destruction. As a result, it has put itself on a path that is leading to investment in Libya by Western companies which could not invest there before. I know that American companies are very interested in working in Libya. And so I certainly hope -- and we, by the way, are -- have appointed an ambassador to Libya. So I sincerely hope that I will be able to visit there soon.
QUESTION: There's lots of speculation in Washington, I hear, from many people that President Bush will never leave the White House without deterring Iran from developing a nuclear weapon. What do you say about this?
SECRETARY RICE: I would say that the President is committed to a diplomatic solution because we believe diplomacy can work. We are working very closely with our allies, working very closely with the UN Security Council Permanent Five as well as the elected members. We've had two Security Council resolutions on Iran. There is a growing course of financial institutions and private companies that will not do business with Iran, because Iran is in that terrible category now of being under a Chapter 7 resolution and a lot of private enterprises don't want to do work because of the reputational risk and the investment risk. We're going to continue to pursue our options within the Security Council and also with those who wish to tighten their -- the financial sanctions and financial measures against Iran even if it's outside the Security Council.
QUESTION: Can I ask about the Wall Street article? There was a report yesterday that Syria is grabbing territory from Lebanese land, like about 4 percent equal to Arizona, and they are not helping, according to the UN envoy, in the demarcation of the Shebaa Farms. How do you view these problems?
SECRETARY RICE: Yes, well, I can't comment on the specific article, but I can tell you that I have never seen Syria do anything helpful for Lebanon. They occupied Lebanon, they have tried to keep their influence there. They have tried to intimidate Lebanon and its leaders. And we know that the UN is now working on the Shebaa Farms issue. We look forward to that report.
But Syria should begin by what was required of it in Resolution 1559: demarcate the border with Lebanon, treat Lebanon like an independent state, a sovereign state, send an ambassador to Beirut. These would be positive signs that Syria understands that Lebanon is not a client of Syria; it is a proud and sovereign, independent state with proud and sovereign people who want nothing but to control their own future in a democratic way.
QUESTION: There is -- do you recognize the Rabin deposit? The Syrians -- Assad gave a speech last week, put a condition that any negotiation with Israel -- Israel should recognize the Rabin deposit that Secretary Christopher --
SECRETARY RICE: No, this is just Syria, again, playing games. I'm quite certain that when Syria shows that it is prepared to engage in policies that are stabilizing to the Middle East, that -- rather than destabilizing, when it stops allowing foreigners to -- foreign terrorists to come across its territory into Iraq, when it stops intimidating the Lebanese, when it stops engaging in activities in the Palestinian territories that are opposite of what is needed for a two-state solution, that it will be entirely possible for Syria to promote its own interests in a stable Middle East.
But while the United States has no problem if Syria and Israel wish to seek peace, and I just want to be very clear, the United States is not standing in the way of Syria and Israel seeking peace. But Syria -- it is Syria's behavior that has kept it isolated.
QUESTION: If we could -- something for history. There are so many books written about you. What would you like to be remembered by at State Department?
SECRETARY RICE: Oh, I'll worry about history a little bit later. I've still got 17 months of very intensive work. I hope that in the Middle East we can make real progress on helping the forces of moderation in the Middle East, helping democratic forces in the Middle East. You know, the Middle East is a wonderful region with energetic people, people who are proud, people who want the best for their children. They don't want to live in a world in which young people are encouraged to be suicide bombers. I believe that the people of the Middle East want a better and more prosperous future.
And in the next 17 months, I expect to be fully devoted to that: to helping the Palestinians get at least closer to statehood so that Israel and Palestine can live side by side, helping Lebanon to continue its progress toward democracy and sovereignty, to helping the people of Iraq to put aside their differences and build stability, and to doing what the United States has always tried to do, which is to stand for principle and to help friends who want nothing but a better and more democratic life.
QUESTION: I wish you a successful trip, and thank you so much.
SECRETARY RICE: Thank you. It was great to be with you.
Yes, I’m sure this idea will work out just great for Israel.
Ms. Rice cannot be serious.
I’m throwing up. We need men like Bolton and Hunter urgently.
the President is just following in the very important tradition that he's begun. He was the first to call, as a matter of policy, for a Palestinian state, for a two-state solution. He was stating very clearly that Israel's future will rest in Israel, in places like Galilee and in the Negev, and that the occupation of the West Bank will have to end and a Palestinian state will need to be established.
in the next 17 months, I expect to be fully devoted to that: to helping the Palestinians get at least closer to statehood
The United States doesn't want Made-in-America solutions.
Attention People of the United States, your government says that the Lord was wrong, the land is not Israel’s. What do you think comes next?
“What do you think comes next?”
I think we can’t base policy decisions on the Bible.
Occupation? We never heard American State Department types saying that when Jordan was occupying the ‘West Bank’ of the Jordan River, but since Israel is involved it’s a whole other story.
“W” surrounds himself with some of the most lame brained people one could imagine.
Candy hit her Peter Principal level when she learned to play the piano.
The end of this administration is turning into act one of an HRC administration.
The type of people we feared would get into the White House are already there.
‘It’s a terrible thing to lose one’s mind.’
As both Condi and GWB have stated, he’s the first President to support a sovereign palestinian state, and it’s establishment is a cornerstone of his foreign policy. I think he’ll do his best to get it done by the end of his term. Isreal’s security not necessarily a necessity.
Since when does one country give back the land they fought and died for back to the same killers who desire their death and destruction? The last time I noted, San Antonio and the Alamo are in the U.S. NOT Mexico, unless of course your personal map shows U.S. Southwest as "Mazatlan" that is.
Bush/Rice see giving up Jerusalem as well as a swath of land connecting Gaza with Judea-Samaria so Muslim Palestine will be ‘contiguous’.
And enlightened Israelis will see the pointlessness of trying to defend an isolated, sparsely-populated Negev.
Yes, fair to say they want a smaller Israel than in 1949. And that palestinian corridor means Israel will no longer be contiguous, but no matter.
Who is this pandering woman and what has she done with the feisty American that President Bush appointed?
Who is that fella in the White House now and what has he done with the feisty Texan that America elected?
She's doing her job, implementing her boss' foreign policy. I do think she's in total agreement, but the demand for a total Israeli withdrawl from the West Band, and the ceding of a Gaza-West Bank corridor comes from GWB. And America.
Feh. Isn’t it high time Ms Rice go officiate over football?
It’s definitely past time for her to get out of Dodge. She’s turning out to be the same level of disaster that Maddy NotAtAllBright was.
Whaddayah expect? She’s even a protege of Maddy Mad NotSoBright’s pappy.
The truth is as you say, except that while the directive may be from GWB it’s not from the USA version of America.
I see a trade coming: We will take out the Iranian nuclear problem and Israel gives up the West Bank.
Shut up Condo and get in the kitchen and bake me some cookies made with the blood of pali children.
The hallmarks this Administration seems to be trying to leave as its "legacy". Not sure what happened to Bush after re-election, but I wish we could get the other version of him back. The one that still had a full set of cojones...
Stiff Right Jab: Bush’s ‘America First’ Foreign Policy
They don’t deserve a “state” and Israel should have worked harder to wipe them out for their actions.
Cornerstone of what foreign policy?
Condoleezza Rice needs major surgery to fix her cranial-rectal inversion.
To think, some folks were touting her for a Presidential candidate at one point.
The United States must end it's occupation of the Southwestern States.
Ezekiel 35:10 Because thou hast said, These two nations and these two countries shall be mine, and we will possess it; whereas the LORD was there:
11 Therefore, as I live, saith the Lord GOD, I will even do according to thine anger, and according to thine envy which thou hast used out of thy hatred against them; and I will make myself known among them, when I have judged thee.
12 And thou shalt know that I am the LORD, and that I have heard all thy blasphemies which thou hast spoken against the mountains of Israel, saying, They are laid desolate, they are given us to consume.
13 Thus with your mouth ye have boasted against me, and have multiplied your words against me: I have heard them.
14 Thus saith the Lord GOD; When the whole earth rejoiceth, I will make thee desolate.
15 As thou didst rejoice at the inheritance of the house of Israel, because it was desolate, so will I do unto thee: thou shalt be desolate, O mount Seir, and all Idumea, even all of it: and they shall know that I am the LORD.
I think Isreal will be given the 'go' in taking out Iran's nuke sites and the price (reward) will be giving up the West Bank.
Judgement. And folks thinking our government doesn't need to heed what God has said, will be wondering what hit our nation/them when it happens. Some will even curse Him when it happens. They will refuse to acknowledge that God is in control even when they can see it happening all around them. They'd better consider and choose wisely when they take sides.
Although these remarks by Rice are of some concern, I don't think they are all that disastrous as you seem to do. Remember that she's on an Arab language broadcast, so she's playing up to an Arab audience. She figures, for one thing, that it may sway some opinion in the Arab world more toward the US - but she'd be dead wrong on that.
She is also seizing on Olmert's extreme spinelessness. I don't think she would ever use the word "occupation" with respect to Israel if a tougher Israeli government were in place.
And she's still leaving the final status up to the parties themselves. Of course, as long as Olmerde is still in office, one can't tell how irrational Israel might be in ceding land.
For the record, this is not the first US administration to envision a "two-state solution." That's exactly what would have happened if Arafat had not (fortuitously for Israel) backed out the deal that Clinton had led Barak into. Chances are that, contrary to what the current Administration has in mind, Abbas would do exactly the same thing if the "roadmap" progressed that far.
96 Senators Call on President Clinton to Support Israel
(note: only part of letter shown
October 12, 2000
All but four members of the U.S. Senate signed the following letter to President Clinton expressing their solidarity with Israel. The four senators who did not sign were Spencer Abraham (R-MI), Judd Gregg (R-NH), Robert Byrd (D-WV) and Chuck Hagel (R-NE). The bipartisan letter was circulated by the Senate Majority Leader Trent Lott (R-MS) and Tom Daschle (D-ND).
Dear Mr. President:
We write to you to express our solidarity with the State of Israel at this moment of crisis and our profound disappointment and frustration with PLO Chairman Arafat and the Palestinian Authority...We are deeply concerned at the continuing, coordinated campaign of Palestinian violence.
We urge you to express American solidarity with Israel at this crucial moment, to condemn the Palestinian campaign of violence, to do everything possible to secure the return of the three kidnapped Israeli soldiers from Lebanon, and to stand with Israel in international arenas - not only because we should, but because such actions are also the best way to restore the negotiating process.
America's open and abiding commitment to the security of Israel is the surest way to see our way safely through it.
What a shock. The Bush 41 Jew-haters beget the Bush 43 Jew-haters. Rice is Saudi-stooge Brent Scowcroft’s protege. No one should be surprised.
I've been bashing this incompetent b*tch since 9/11 and got nothing but slammed on this Forum, until the past year. Now its bleeding obvious to everyone what was obvious enough 6 years ago: Rice should have been fired (along with Tenet) on 9/12/2001.
I’m tempted to suggest they need employment post 2008, but I actually think Rice believes this. Get the Jews out of the West Bank, the mideast will be a peaceful place, like it was before 1967.
She’s a shame to the human race. Another pod from the bodysnatchers.
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