Skip to comments.Is the War Lost? Three Inconvenient Truths About Iraq Right Now
Posted on 07/28/2007 2:23:20 PM PDT by bnelson44
Finally, ifas seems apparent nowthe surge is succeeding, opponents of the war are going to be hard-pressed to make the case for abandoning Iraq, even if there is no Shi'ite-Sunni political settlement in sight. The inconvenient truth here is that, apart from the irreconcilable Left, the American people's support for withdrawal has been based on an assessment that we were losing the war. If that no longer seems true, support for withdrawal will melt away. The Democratic leaders know this; that's why they made a concerted effort last week to get a vote on withdrawal in July. September, which will likely see a favorable report by General Petraeus, will be too late. Claims that the inability of the Iraqis to reach a political settlement is a reason for us to leave will ring a bit hollow in the face of a possible military success. After all, the American people have noticed that our Congress, unthreatened by anything more serious than an upcoming election, couldn't pass an immigration bill, can't eliminate earmarks or adopt ethics rules, and can't agree on energy legislation when gasoline is $3.50 a gallon. Politicians, they know, will be politicians, but that doesn't mean we should hand our enemies a victory instead of a defeat.
Nevertheless, because weakening the will of the American people is the only way that al-Qaeda and our other opponents in Iraq can hope to win, between now and September we will see an all-out effort to inflict heavy casualties on our troops and on Iraqi civilians. Unfortunately, this can be a winning strategy. If we are unprepared for it, a bad August and early September could still lead to a collapse in public support that would even sweep congressional Republicans with it. We should not forget that the North Vietnamese Tet offensive of 1968although it resulted ultimately in a military defeat for the Northbecame a turning point in the war because it destroyed the American public's belief in our ultimate military success. A series of spectacular and dramatic attacks could do the same for our enemies in Iraq. They know that, and we should expect them to try.
But if these attacks do not occuror if they do and are quickly quelledthe success of the surge will be an
Agreed. Suicide bombs are a device for the terminally weak. If we stop that there’s no way they can beat us on the battlefield. I would look for something closer to home if they want to make a statement. If they could carry off a major terrorist operation in the US they would hand the Dems an issue on a silver platter.
Spin. The Democrats would be able to take that and paint Bush as ignoring security at home because we’re preoccupied in Iraq. The sheeple will buy it too.
Good article.. thanks for posting...
I must clarify or take issue with your statement. Bringing down a building, killing 3000 of your enemies at the cost of your own life, is not necessarily an indication your people are "terminally weak."
I was speaking of the suicide bombers in Iraq and since this thread is specificallty about Iraq I’m sure you must have understood my meaning. Read in context. You can understand better that way.
During the Vietnam War:
WALTER CRONKITE’s calling our 1968 TET Offensive victory a defeat on the ‘CBS Nightly News’..
WILLIAM CLINTON, HILLARY RODHAM, JOHN KERRY, JANE FONDA, TOM HAYDEN, RAMSEY CLARK, TED KENNEDY’s active supporting of Communist North Vietnam’s push to take over a then Free South Vietnam...
TED KENNEDY’s pushing a post-WATERGATE Democrat Congress into cutting off all our funding for the then Free South Vietnamese to fight for their own Freedom with...
...just as the Communist Soviet Union gave the Communist North Vietnamese $6 Billion in 600 tanks & 1,000’s of moibile artillery pieces...
Pictures of a vietnamese Re-Education (SLAVE LABOR) Camp
What Price for the still Free (that’s US) to pay now, I wonder, with our own Freedom directly at stake right here at home.
News of 12 million suddenly missing Iraqi purple voting fingers appearing on our TV Screens, just for starters..?
BET on it..!!!
What does "Win" mean?
Victory needs to be defined or we will never achieve it.
The mission has changed so many times the everyone is confused.
The Man who predicted 9/11 =
9/11 Lifesaver RICK RESCORLA, ..R.I.P.
(The Rest of the Story)
Victory in the Middle East =
We had 3 elections so far. Do they count?
Yes, we’ll win this fight...and the rats will NOT stop us this time. This time HISTORY WILL NOT REPEAT ITSELF...
Of course we won't be out prior to 2011, if then, so this is probably a pointless discussion.
The same HILLARY RODHAM,
..who actively supported Freedom’s enemy Communist North Vietnam against us during the Vietnam War,
...quickly and quietly got herself appointed to the Senate Intelligence and Armed Services Committees after she was elected to the U.S. Senate.
So the 2008 Presidential Campaign will be HILLARY’s great opportunity to sell Americans her “I can protect you best” theme...
...after the sudden loss of some U.S. Cities to massive terrorist attacks..?
BET on it..!!!
All Free Elecitons count BIG TIME in Iraq. And our terrorist enemis know it better than most.
That’s why BUSH/CHENEY committed us to implementing our Democratizing the entire Middle East, right after the 9/11 Attacks, as America’s own best self-protection against future attacks here at home.
Murtha Says its Time to Bring Our Murdering Scum Home
Rep. John Murtha (D-Penn.), a leading Iraq War critic said hes pushing legislation that would order U.S. troop withdrawals to begin in the Fall and predicted Republicans will support it. As Ive been saying for some time, the troops deployed in Iraq have shown themselves to be murdering scum, Murtha asserted. Keeping them there only serves to perpetuate the slaughter and atrocities.
Under Murthas plan, troop withdrawals would start in November 2007 and take about a year to complete. A vote on Rep. John Murtha’s proposal likely will come in September, after Iraq commander Gen. David Petraeus is expected to deliver a promised assessment on the war.
The House passed a similar proposal a few months ago, but President Bush vetoed it. But Murtha said he predicts this vote will be different because of polls indicating mounting voter frustration with the war. It doesnt really matter what Patraeus has to say, Murtha added. We all know this war is lost. The polls confirm it. Its time to cut our losses.
Bush has insisted that US troops need to remain engaged in Iraq to fight al-Qaeda and has repeatedly appealed to lawmakers for more patience. However, Murtha says his bill will be the presidents final chance to escape judgment. If the president wont agree to the withdrawal we will have to move House Resolution 333, Murtha said. HR 333 is the impeachment resolution sponsored by presidential candidate Representative Dennis Kucinich (D-Ohio).
I think whoever wins in 08 will be forced to withdrawal.
Of course I think Hillary is going to win, unless Ron Paul gets the nomination, and he will effect a fundamental change in our foreign policy. New strategy and new tactics.
Our best hope to win, is for W to get Congress to Declare war on Iran prior to the 08 elections, then possibly another republican besides Paul could win.
I define "Win" as the fulfillment of W's Oct 22, 2001 speech when he said if you harbor the terrorist, we will treat you as a terrorist. Iran and Syria should have been knocked out long ago. 2004-05 range.
With them out of the way, the saudi's and the Paki's enthusiasm for proxy troops will go way down.
It won't take much to get India to help clear out Pakistan, and the Saudi's are militarily helpless if we decide to put pressure on them.
But, since W is denying that we are fighting a world war; that WMD's were found; the Iraq/9-11 connections; and that the enemy is Islamic, that is not likely to happen.
Sure, the ‘08 winner might decide to withdraw, but Dubya will keep us there ‘til the end of his term, and the Army thinks it’ll take a good 20 months or so to pull out, so that’s where I get 2011 from.
good prediction then.
Hats off to you!
Accordingly, efforts to force the withdrawal of our troops at a time certain undermine this policy and the work and bravery of our soldiers.
We HAVE to have the timetable. Otherwise... (otherwise, what?) Well, otherwise... informants might have the confidence to come forward with the whereabouts of terrorists, and the surge may therefore be perceieved as a success, no matter how the MSM spins it! THAT would be just devastating.
Not if we surrender and leave all those who allied themselves with us to be slaughtered.
We won the war against Iraq.
Now, as the nation who defeated them, we are doing the honorable thing any victorious nation should do once his enemy has been vanquished.
We are protecting them until they are able to protect themselves against foreign and domestic terrorists and other criminal elements, such as those in our congress and media.
Wrap yourself around this concept, and suddenly everything will make sense to you.
This is not Vietnam.
We won, and they are strong enough to handle the internal problems.
The danger now is being an enabler, take off the training wheels.
Welfare is seductive. The "Vacation" by Parliament is a slap in our face.
The Iranians are begging to be liberated.
July 21, 2007: A recent opinion survey showed that 58 percent of Iranians would support a foreign invasion to overthrow the current religious dictatorship. However, nearly 70 percent would prefer a popular, but non-violent, revolution, like the one that tossed out European communist dictatorships in 1989-90.
Worse, 92 percent do not approve of how their government operates. Only eleven percent oppose democracy, and 72 percent did not support the "Islamic Revolution" that has dominated the country for 28 years.
Still, most Iranians are not willing to fight, knowing that the minority of Iranians who do support the government are armed and willing to kill Iranians that oppose them. The survey also showed that 78 percent of Iranians believe the country should have nuclear power, but only 46 percent believed they should have nuclear weapons.
Interestingly, 52 percent believed that Western Europe would accept Iran having nuclear power. People are not happy with the government foreign policy, with 60 percent opposing support of Hizbollah, 56 percent oppose support for Hamas, and 70 percent oppose the destruction of Israel.
However, a third of the population agreed with president Mahmoud Ahmadinejad's contention that the World War II German death camp program, that killed six million Jews, never happened.
Why did we not liberate Iran in 2004? 2005?
We have the troops available.
Why is W denying WMD's were found?
Or that Saddam supported the 9-11 attack?
Get your head around that
We can easily guarantee Iraqi safety from Invasion
Taking the training wheels off and stopping the welfare is *not* surrender.
It will take 20 months to withdrawal from the day the order is given. That means 2011 at the earliest.
Were it not for the polls, it wouldn't even be amusing.
avoiding the hard questions does not solve the problem.