2 children found dead in trash bags under S.C. apartment sink

The State ^ | 31 July 2007 | BRUCE SMITH

[darkangel82]

We have a troll here.

[spunkets]

"This is why it is important to have a national debate on whether low-income people should at all be allowed to have children."

You posting from party headquarters in red china?

"And if you have a child and then become low-income, the child should be taken away and given up for adoption."

Are you a former official from the Pol Pot regime that escaped prosecution?

[Theo]

I can’t imagine what the little girls went through. One of them dies, and the other one is crying for her sister’s death, and then she fades away. I’ve got two baby girls, and I can’t even “go there” in my thinking. How very, very sad.

[cowdog77]

Women in these situations need to give up their children to foster care or adoption so that higher-income people can raise the children.”
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No, women in these situations need to be neutered.

[CTSeditor]

Responsibility for ones actions. Simple.

[Bonaparte]

"... on whether low-income people should at all be allowed to have children."

I'm going to give you credit here and just assume you're making a bad joke.

This isn't red china. It's America.

Americans of any economic circumstances are free to have as many children as they want. They are also responsible for every last decision they make.

There are no excuses for leaving children in a death trap like a hot car. And no government has any business telling Americans whether they can produce and raise children.

[Between the Lines]

>>The problem is that too often child care is not affordable. So low-income working mothers are forced into this type of situation, taking their small children to work and leaving them in the car.<<

Investigators found a note Heyward left at her apartment, explaining that she had arranged for a baby sitter, but when plans fell through she took the children with her in the car to work in downtown Charleston Townhall.com

This sounds less like a case of not being able to afford child care and more like a case where the baby sitter didn't show.

[Between the Lines]

Women in these situations need to give up their children to foster care or adoption so that higher-income people can raise the children.

Yes, child neglect and child abuse are crimes that exist only amongst the poor. We must remove these children now. / sarc

[CaptainK]

I don’t see what that link is suppose to prove. Even if she had never lost her home, she still would have to go to work and I assume she might still have left her children in the car.

By the way, if I was in the position where I could not come up with $169 I would make damn sure I didn't get pregnant.

[Logan1492]

“This sounds less like a case of not being able to afford child care and more like a case where the baby sitter didn’t show.”

As

http://scoop.epluribusmedia.org/story/2007/7/31/153411/700

writes:

“At the previous minimum wage, she would have brought home $206/week before taxes. She had a 60x14 ft. mobile home, but she didn’t have the $169.75 to pay the taxes on it and it was sold by Charleston County. If she was lucky, she got a respectable one-bedroom apartment for $590/month. That works out to $136.15 per week in rent, leaving her $69.85 per week for ALL OTHER EXPENSES - food - utilities - phone - gas - car - insurance - clothes - for her and her two children. Even if she qualified for and received state and Federal assistance for these expenses, under $70 a week is not enough money to pay for child care for a 1- and 4-year old.

“I picture her asking friends, family, neighbors to help out with her two children. I picture those people helping her whenever they could. But there came a day when no one was available to watch these two kids. Sametta couldn’t take them into work with her, and she couldn’t leave them alone. She didn’t figure it would be so hot that day, and she knew tht if she didn’t show up for work - at best - she would lose a day’s work and money to eat; and, at worst - she would lose the job entirely. So she figured that leaving the kids in the car was the only option she had. And so she did.

“I repeat: this is just speculation on my part. It’s difficult to envision a rational person leaving her two young children in a car period, et alone during the summertime in South Carolina. I’m not defending leaving chidren in cars. I’m not defending even the mildest form of neglect of child.

“But let’s face it - these kinds of trade-offs are going on every day (and right this moment) in America. Despite the incessant touting of our “strong economy”, the number of people and particularly children below the poverty level is growing. Real wages are not growing. The cost of living is growing. More people, and particularly children, are going without basic health care.

“So I ask you: are the Sametta’s of this world simply bad parents or are they being placed in positions where a bad choice is their best option? “

[Floyd Rivers]

I was thinking the same thing.

[philetus]

What the hell is happening to our country?”

We’ve been invaded by morons.

[calex59]

Americans of any economic circumstances are free to have as many children as they want. They are also responsible for every last decision they make. There are no excuses for leaving children in a death trap like a hot car. And no government has any business telling Americans whether they can produce and raise children.

Well said Bonaparte, there are a whole bunch of people on this thread who do not belong on a conservative site. Anyone who thinks the government has the right to tell anyone how many children they can have isn't a conservative but a dyed in the wool, hard core communist.

[philetus]

My baby had a fever so I thought if I put him in the freezer.....

My baby was all wet so I thought if I put him in the oven.....

[California74]

Even if that story pans out, that the babysitter didn’t show, why didn’t she take the kids in to work with her until a friend or family member could arrive to care for the child? PUHLEASE. Responsible parents, low-income or not, don’t leave their children THAT YOUNG alone in a car all day (if that story is, in fact, true.) And any parent who does that, should not have children. There is absolutely no excuse. What is this world coming to?

[montag813]

"She stated she wanted to die and asked officers to kill her," the report said.

They should have obliged, and saved the public future millions to convict and imprison this rapid animal.

[montag813]

The federal government has all types of paid child care for low income people.

In the Northeast, you pretty much can get everything you need for free if you are poor. Healthcare, daycare, food, housing. And you don't even have to be a citizen to get it.

[oldteen]

“This story doesn’t smell quite right. I can see a 1 year old, but 4 year olds can get themselves out of car seats and out of cars. I’m not sure I’m buying her story.”

Also, not knowing what type of work she did I can only assume but, aren’t all employees entitled to some kind of breaks during work hours? And she didn’t check on the children at those times?? Does not pass that smell test.

[montag813]

There’s a lot of information about this incident at the following link:

Why the hell are you reposting DailyKos garbage that uses Michael Moore propaganda as sources?

[Bon mots]

There’s a lot of information about this incident at the following link:

http://scoop.epluribusmedia.org/story/2007/7/31/153411/700

There's quite a bit in there about the working poor. There's a lot to be said for paying attention in school and educating yourself with a variety of job skills. Unfortunately in the ghetto and elsewhere, there is no motivation to excel in education.
I believe that there should be a kind of 'safety net' for life's setbacks.

There was a safety net that worked for many years, unfortunately, many thought that it was a hammock - and so it had to be taken down.

We will see more stories like this.