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The Hidden Basis For Hostility To Israel - And America (Answer May Surprise You Alert)
Townhall.com ^ | 08/01/2007 | Michael Medved

Posted on 07/31/2007 9:15:42 PM PDT by goldstategop

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The answer isn't anti-semitism or anti-Americanism. That's part of it. The real reason for the Left's loathing of Israel and America is obvious. Both countries have a shared veneration of religious faith and military institutions. Leftists have never been comfortable with God Talk or men and women in uniform bearing arms.

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus

1 posted on 07/31/2007 9:15:48 PM PDT by goldstategop
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bump!


2 posted on 07/31/2007 9:29:11 PM PDT by PsyOp (Truth in itself is rarely sufficient to make men act. - Clauswitz, On War, 1832.)
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bump!


3 posted on 07/31/2007 9:29:13 PM PDT by PsyOp (Truth in itself is rarely sufficient to make men act. - Clauswitz, On War, 1832.)
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BUMP


4 posted on 07/31/2007 9:37:59 PM PDT by Publius6961 (MSM: Israelis are killed by rockets; Lebanese are killed by Israelis.)
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“Leftists have never been comfortable with God Talk or men and women in uniform bearing arms.”

The problem with that explanation is its failure to account for the leftists cozying up to Islamists, who are full of both God talk and militant zeal to slaughter the infidel in holy jihad.


5 posted on 07/31/2007 9:45:32 PM PDT by Blue_Ridge_Mtn_Geek
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To: sofaman

Ping


6 posted on 07/31/2007 9:53:26 PM PDT by SoCalPol (Duncan Hunter '08 Tough on WOT & Illegals)
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To: Blue_Ridge_Mtn_Geek
The problem with that explanation is its failure to account for the leftists cozying up to Islamists, who are full of both God talk and militant zeal to slaughter the infidel in holy jihad.

A good point. The real problems are: (1) the Bible, which sets moral standards leftists don't want to feel guilty about violating; and (2) military force to defend America from the internationalists who would see it destroyed.

Thus, military force directed to advancing communism is not a problem for the left. Religion directed to destroying America is not a problem for the left.

What remains of America is still the biggest barrier to the left's ultimate goals, a worldwide, anti-Christian, totalitarian state, run by the left. And that's why they hate us and ally with jihadis.

7 posted on 07/31/2007 9:54:04 PM PDT by ModelBreaker
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To: goldstategop

Makes perfect sense....bump.


8 posted on 07/31/2007 10:01:54 PM PDT by cowdog77 (" Are there any brave men left in Washington, or are they all cowards?")
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To: goldstategop

terrific article...thanks for posting it...


9 posted on 07/31/2007 10:20:06 PM PDT by sofaman ("There will only be peace in Israel when the Arabs love their children more than they hate the Jews")
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To: SoCalPol

thanks for the PING, SoCal...


10 posted on 07/31/2007 10:20:33 PM PDT by sofaman ("There will only be peace in Israel when the Arabs love their children more than they hate the Jews")
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........leftists cozying up to Islamists, who are full of both God talk and militant zeal to slaughter the infidel in holy jihad....

The Islamic horde wins Leftist admiration under the "Noble Savage" rule. Perversely, for the Left, Muslims seem eligible for the same "intellectual" consideration as remote New Guinea cannibals.

I'll wager that few Leftists would volunteer to to proclaim their belief systems in Saudi Arabia.

12 posted on 08/01/2007 2:20:47 AM PDT by Kenny Bunk (The United States needs to get rid of Osama, Obama, and Chelsea's Mama.)
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“In Israeli eyes, there’s no contradiction between love of God and admiration of the military – between celebrating the beginning of a loving new family along with the courage and dedication of a battle-hardened soldier. Both religious and military institutions exist to promote life, not death; to facilitate peaceful communities and growing families, not bloodshed and martyrdom.”

A strong military is simply a requirement of a great nation. Our nation’s success in war has been absolutely central to our overall success. Further, our appearance of strength is the ONLY deterrent to those who’d harm Americans around the world.

Those who favor weakening our military are as anti-American as any of the host of others who constantly seek our country’s harm.


13 posted on 08/01/2007 3:47:57 AM PDT by PreciousLiberty
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To: Blue_Ridge_Mtn_Geek

the exception that proves the rule...

perhaps.

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14 posted on 08/01/2007 4:14:56 AM PDT by teeman8r
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buying up land and evicting tenant farmers seems all legal under the auspices of a fair trade and free market... complaints that someone is actually following the rules of law to forward an agenda should fall on deaf ears...

taking measures to right assumed wrongs by butchering and killing is not bulls***.

teeman


15 posted on 08/01/2007 4:18:38 AM PDT by teeman8r
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To: Salem; Alouette; SJackson; Yehuda; Nachum; jabotinsky; sheik yerbouty; SunkenCiv; Ancesthntr; ...

Very interesting article - ping!


16 posted on 08/01/2007 4:22:34 AM PDT by Convert from ECUSA (Hunter and Tancredo in '08!)
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“the exception that proves the rule...”

Or a contradiction that makes the rule self-refuting, which is the more straightforward reading. There is no generic aversion to military values on the left - - just military values in defense of institutions and ideas they wish to destroy and, like the secular European rulers building their nation-states from 16th to 18th centuries, today’s leftists are quite willing to ally themselves with “enemies of their enemies”, e.g., the Islamic Ottoman empire in those earlier centuries, and the Islamist promoters of a New Caliphate now.


17 posted on 08/01/2007 4:25:08 AM PDT by Blue_Ridge_Mtn_Geek
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“European Jews who were buying up land and evicting tenant farmers”

Yes, buying it, not stealing it as today’s Palestinian rewriters of history would have it. And, putting it to much more productive use than the former owners, which is what really grates on the failed polities of the neighboring dysfunctional states.


18 posted on 08/01/2007 4:32:53 AM PDT by Blue_Ridge_Mtn_Geek
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"...Clearly, the same deep-seated anti-Semitic instincts help to explain some of the hostility to the Jewish state today, especially among purportedly enlightened Europeans...

The Jews and Israel are not hated for their failures or sins but for their successes and virtues. Envy is a powerful emotion not often stated as a motive. The goal of envy is usually to destroy the envied object. Melanie Klein wrote a small book about this.

Jealousy is quite different.

In Medieval times Christians tried to live by avoiding the seven deadly sins--pride, envy, gluttony, lust,anger, greed and sloth. In the "Parson's Tale" Chaucer correctly pointed out envy is the only sin that did not have a normal referent. We need to have self-confidence, food, sex, assertiveness, money for basic living and periods of rest. We have not use for envy and Chaucer thought it the worst of the deadly sins.

regards

19 posted on 08/01/2007 4:47:12 AM PDT by shrinkermd
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“Apparently Medved can’t read.”

Apparently you have a problem thinking straight and telling the truth.

20 posted on 08/01/2007 4:57:52 AM PDT by ChessExpert (Reagan dismantled the Russian communist empire despite the Democrats and the MSM)
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