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"Researchers expose flaws in California voting machines"
canada.com ^ | 01 August 2007 | Alex Blonski

Posted on 08/02/2007 3:45:59 AM PDT by lifelong_republican

"...the team was able to bypass security in every machine they tested..."

(Excerpt) Read more at canada.com ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: america; american; electronicvoting; representation; vote; voterfraud; votingmachines
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The one way to avoid the debacle of Clinton/Obama in '08 will be to restore real physical ballots secured and counted in public view.

Schoolchildren could count them on video security as a part of learning civic duty.

1 posted on 08/02/2007 3:46:04 AM PDT by lifelong_republican
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To: lifelong_republican

Just another government “sink” full of money for a project where the drain stopper isn’t working properly!

For most govt. contractors, taxing entities have a pile of free money that is bigger than the private sector that they feel belongs to them.


2 posted on 08/02/2007 3:52:43 AM PDT by YouGoTexasGirl
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To: lifelong_republican

That wouldn’t stop the Democrat from tossing in a box of fake ballots when nobody is looking, or voting twice (or more) or...


3 posted on 08/02/2007 3:55:12 AM PDT by Nathan Zachary
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To: YouGoTexasGirl

You are so right YouGoTexasGirl! You said it.

This has been a taxpayer robbery under threat
by racketeers. They’re forcing local officials
to use garbage computers sold for exhorbitant
prices with unaffordable maintenance only to
force unreliability, delays, and failures of
elections on the voters.


4 posted on 08/02/2007 3:57:53 AM PDT by lifelong_republican (Real Americans: Real Ballots)
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To: lifelong_republican

Voter Identification...Voter identification... Voter identification. One has to produce picture identification to buy a six-pack, to buy cigarettes, to drive a car but not to vote? It’s insane. All I have to do to vote is step up to a table and state an address. In return, the poll worker says a name, I nod my head and I’m handed a ballot. I’m waiting for the day to be told that I’ve already voted. ;-)


5 posted on 08/02/2007 3:58:23 AM PDT by rhombus
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To: Nathan Zachary

It’d be crude, clumsy, and detectable to load a ballot box the old way. With the electronics it’s easy and carries little risk of detection.


6 posted on 08/02/2007 3:58:57 AM PDT by lifelong_republican (Real Americans: Real Ballots)
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To: lifelong_republican

There are different types of computer security. Part of it is keeping unauthorized people from connecting a laptop to the voting machine. If they cannot connect a cable then they cannot hack.

Are we supposed to believe that paper ballots are free from voter fraud?


7 posted on 08/02/2007 3:59:21 AM PDT by driftdiver
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To: rhombus

It’s a piece of cake to fake voter identifications
on electronic “rolls”, and even if the voters are
properly identified, their votes could be lost or
changed electronically with ease, too.


8 posted on 08/02/2007 4:01:04 AM PDT by lifelong_republican (Real Americans: Real Ballots)
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To: driftdiver

Studies have shown that for all their known faults, paper ballots are more securable and reliable than the electronics, which can be hacked in many ways including the installations of the firmware in the secret manufacturing sites in Communist China.


9 posted on 08/02/2007 4:02:42 AM PDT by lifelong_republican (Real Americans: Real Ballots)
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“Studies have shown that for all their known faults, paper ballots are more securable and reliable than the electronics, which can be hacked in many ways including the installations of the firmware in the secret manufacturing sites in Communist China.”

Studies paid for by those who oppose modernization of the voting system. Modernization to include actually using ID’s to verify the people are who they say they are.

Electronics are perfectly able to be secure. After all our entire banking system is run on computers. I believe thats the real fear. that the system will be made secure and the people who have helped dead people vote for years will be stopped.


10 posted on 08/02/2007 4:12:48 AM PDT by driftdiver
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To: lifelong_republican

Over my lifetime I’ve lived in and voted in three states. In both New York State and Virginia I voted using the old-fashioned voting machines where I pulled the levers behind a curtain. I would think it would be easy to jigger with those results too. In both cases I had to at least sign my name. When I moved to Massachusetts I was given a paper ballot that I had to mark with a pencil and then put through a scanner. After using the voting machines for years I felt like I was voting in a third world country. To make things worse, I didn’t have to sign my name to anything. I would think that it would be easy to screw with those results too but I do now understand the value of a paper record to back up what is reported on a machine.


11 posted on 08/02/2007 4:16:57 AM PDT by rhombus
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The banking system uses paper trails as backups
and is audited.

There’s a big difference there.


12 posted on 08/02/2007 4:19:26 AM PDT by lifelong_republican (Real Americans: Real Ballots)
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To: rhombus

Rhombus you make excellent points. Thank you.

The voting machines have lost, faked, and switched
votes in known instances and have the potential to
do so any time they’re used.

If they spit paper, it need not match the tallies.
They’re designed to conceal election subversion.


13 posted on 08/02/2007 4:22:11 AM PDT by lifelong_republican (Real Americans: Real Ballots)
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“The banking system uses paper trails as backups
and is audited.”

You honestly believe that the entire banking system uses paper backups? Here’s a hint, they don’t.

Auditing is easy. Not against auditing or adding security.


14 posted on 08/02/2007 4:22:28 AM PDT by driftdiver
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To: lifelong_republican

Funny how everyone thought electronic voting machines were the magic answer to the punch cards in 2000... and now here we are. ;-)


15 posted on 08/02/2007 4:25:30 AM PDT by rhombus
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To: lifelong_republican
So it begins: the Democrats will assault ANY loss as a "stolen election", wherever they lose.

Fraudulent voters, illegal alien voters, etc. are not addressed, only the old "Diebold" excuse for losses, as usual.

Photo ID is not important, but claiming "disenfranchisement" and "electronic voting errors/cheating" is.

16 posted on 08/02/2007 4:28:20 AM PDT by traditional1
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“Electronics are perfectly able to be secure.”

As an EE who has done a lot of design of secure computer systems and cryptographic systems, I don’t share your opinion.

Anything that doesn’t leave a paper audit trail is not acceptable, in my opinion.

Additionally, when systems like these are compromised, they are compromised in a big way and it’s difficult to detect.

Remember the recent ruckus over the breaking of the DVD copy protection scheme?

They spent millions of dollars to develop this protection scheme and all the “experts” said it was secure.

It was broken by a bunch of neophyte hackers with too much time on their hands.

JMHO!


17 posted on 08/02/2007 4:31:08 AM PDT by EEDUDE
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To: lifelong_republican

Yes, return to paper ballots.


18 posted on 08/02/2007 4:31:16 AM PDT by John Leland 1789
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To: rhombus

You’re right, Rhombus, a lot of people
got sold a bill of goods on them, but
the computer scientists never really
found ways to make them secure enough.


19 posted on 08/02/2007 4:41:41 AM PDT by lifelong_republican (Real Americans: Real Ballots)
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To: traditional1

The horrors of HillBama will be brought in
with electronic election subversion.

It’s far easier to rig electronics than to
use any of the previously-known methods,
and far easier to get away with it.


20 posted on 08/02/2007 4:43:55 AM PDT by lifelong_republican (Real Americans: Real Ballots)
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