Posted on 08/02/2007 2:42:01 PM PDT by RedRover
Exactly. The UCMJ rolls conspiracy and accomplice liability into the same offense.
Agreed. I know of multiple cases of shootings which were investigated and ALL of them found the shootings, while unjustified (ie, an innocent person was killed), were within the bounds of reasonable error in the stress of war. Not one stood trial.
I also know that some people react very badly to war, and will kill wantonly.
Not knowing the facts of this case, I’ll trust the jury of Marines to apply good judgment and not convict someone needlessly.
Agree with ya...........I’m sick and tired of these piss ant pandering polidiots.
Doom on em.......
Interesting. I'm not willing to go that far, but I have the UCMJ and Manual Courts Martial right in front of me, and it doesn't differentiate between degrees of murder.
I wonder if anyone’s laughing at me when I thank the troops. I often get a nervous laugh out of the person I’m thanking, but that’s different. When the exchange is over, you can see a strange combination of humbleness and pride, that you wouldn’t think possible. And they’re always in a better mood, no matter what their mood was before. Everyone is. It’s a win/win situation.
Any Marine’s first ethical duty is to his family and himself: come home alive.
This saddens me.
They offed an insurgent and now our guys have to pay for it.
I suppose the CIA has never snatched a known villain and then taken him out. I suppose our trained snipers have never targeted a known villain.
This kid will never get pardoned unless someone (Duncan Hunter) who understands war comes to the oval office.
Aug. 2, 2007 | FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
Verdict Announced at General Court-Martial in Hamdania Investigation
CAMP PENDLETON, Calif. (Aug. 2, 2007) – The court-martial panel rendered the following verdict today in the case of Sgt. Lawrence G. Hutchins III for his involvement in the death of an Iraqi civilian on April 26, 2006, near Hamdania, Iraq.
Hutchins was found guilty of unpremeditated murder, larceny, making a false official statement and conspiracy to commit the following: murder, larceny, obstruction of justice and false official statement.
Hutchins was found not guilty of kidnapping, assault, housebreaking and obstruction of justice.
Under the Uniform Code of Military Justice, two-thirds of the court-martial panel must vote guilty to render a guilty verdict.
The military judge for the proceeding was Lt. Col. Jeffrey Meeks.
Sentencing proceedings are scheduled to begin this afternoon.
More information on the charges, specifications and legal proceedings can be found at www.usmc.mil/lapa/iraq-investigations.htm
Please find below a letter to you from the parents of the three Haditha Marines, true American heroes, that have suffered under false accusations.
We are pleased to inform you that due to your generosity, our readers — you — donated more than $230,000 to these Marines’ three legal defense funds.
God bless you, our Marines, and America.
Thank you.
NewsMax.com
P.S. You can still help these Marines by Going Here Now.
Note: You can still help these Marines by Going Here Now.
Not true. They are expected to be willing to give their lives for their country. That's the whole point of valor. Their job isn't supposed to be safe. Honestly, as a chaplain, I am surprised you would say this.
They offed an insurgent and now our guys have to pay for it.
Did they show that he was actually an insurgent? If he was an insurgent, why did they manufacture evidence of a firefight? And, most importantly, if he was an insurgent, why was Sgt. Hutchins convicted by a jury of Iraq vets?
Welcome home Brother!!!...lets get over the hate........
Welcome to the club!!!...I aint reading anymore!
The pardon in the Calley case (yeah, I’m an old-timer) came from the Secretary of the Army rather than the Oval Office.
I’m not sure if that was a screen for the President or, in this case, if the Secretary of the Navy can grant a pardon on his own.
Bingo!!!!...Look at that guy in the picture.....I want him on our team!!!!!!....Whew!...Im done on this thread!!!!
He probably got a fairer trial than a civilian would get stateside. In the Marine Corps "trial by a jury of his peers" means exactly that. A jury of honorable marines saw the evidence presented and convicted a fellow Marine.
I'm hesitant to suggest a pardon in this case. Once again, it comes back to the fact that a jury of Iraq vets convicted the man.
When Cpl. Sharatt's Art. 32 proceeding came back recommending no further prosecution, you said "Trust the Corps." I agreed then, and I still believe that it is correct now. The verdict of the jury of his peers should be supported, and should not be overturned unless there is strong evidence of injustice.
Nice try but I used exactly the phrase I was looking for. One can only "snitch" when one knows something someone else did that was against the law (wrong). Offering someone freedom for their perjured testimony so that a prosecutor can get a conviction of another is not "snitching" but rather a "payoff." Paying people off (plea bargaining) is what prosecutors do when they have NO physical evidence or eyewitnesses to make a case. Plea bargaining is tantamount to purchasing eye witnesses. It is similar to Saddam or Castro threatening to kill or imprison their citizens if those citizens did/do not participate in propaganda parades and rallies.
As for your assertion that I have very little interaction with lawyers I will say this. My grand-father was an attorney, my uncle is an attorney as is his daughter. I have many attorneys as customers and not one of them will deny that what I have just posted is accurate.
You see... there are some honest attorneys in the world. Not many but there are a few. ;-)
It’s the Patton ethic: “Have the other poor bastard die for his country.”
It is highly unethical to die because of stupidity in echelons above you. Your kids need you. Your wife needs you. You are to come home. Period.
Sort out the game markers afterwards.
He’s convicted because everyone admitted to killing the guy.
Red Rover can give links on the background of the case showing that the dead guy hasn’t been investigated.
You have evidence of perjury?
What evidence might that be?
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