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Romney: Hezbollah role model for U.S. Urges emulating projects used by group against Israel
World Net Daily ^ | 8-2-07 | Aaron Klein

Posted on 08/02/2007 4:20:03 PM PDT by Bladerunnuh

Republican presidential candidate Gov. Mitt Romney has cited the social welfare network of the Lebanese Hezbollah terror group as a role model the U.S. should copy to help promote "goodness" and "freedom" around the world.

Sections of Hezbollah's social welfare network, including schools and camps, are routinely used by the terror group to indoctrinate students in anti-Israel propaganda, instruct in military tactics and promote Shiite Islamic beliefs, including the waging of a final, apocalyptic world battle against "evil."

The former Massachusetts governor this weekend was asked during a campaign stop in Iowa whether he would renew President Bush's $50 million campaign to combat AIDS in Africa.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Government; Miscellaneous; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: 2stupid4words; cultsofafeather; hezbollah; mittromney; rinoromney; romney; twofacedmitt
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Instead of asking these freaks whether or not they'd use nukes against our enemies, maybe we should ask them if they'd ok the use of nukes against the US.

I don't know about you guys, but I'm voting for "None of the above"

1 posted on 08/02/2007 4:20:08 PM PDT by Bladerunnuh
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To: Bladerunnuh
Wow. Talk about a biased and misleading headline!

WND sinks lower and lower every day. Very sad.

2 posted on 08/02/2007 4:25:03 PM PDT by curiosity
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To: Bladerunnuh

Romney was talking about the Hearts and Minds type of diplomacy. You can debate the merits of that approach but this article from World Nut Daily was the sort of hit job we see from the liberal media.


3 posted on 08/02/2007 4:25:49 PM PDT by misterrob (There's no difference between a knee jerk liberal and a knee jerk conservative.)
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To: Bladerunnuh
RomneyCARE = HezbollahCARE ~ HillaryCARE

Who could have imagined?

4 posted on 08/02/2007 4:27:53 PM PDT by Diogenesis (Igitur qui desiderat pacem, praeparet bellum)
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To: Bladerunnuh
Oh Mitt, say it ain’t so!

>>In remarks caught on camera by C-SPAN, Romney stated, “Did you notice in Lebanon what Hezbollah did? Lebanon became a democracy some time ago, and while their government was getting under way, Hezbollah went into southern Lebanon and provided health clinics to some of the people there, and schools.

“And they (Hezbollah) built their support there by having done so. That kind of diplomacy is something that would help America become stronger around the world and help people understand that our interest is an interest towards modernity and goodness and freedom for all people in the world. And so, I want to see America carry out that kind of health diplomacy.”<<

HERE’S “THAT KIND OF DIPLOMACY” YOU MORON:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TrieBhaGgHM

5 posted on 08/02/2007 4:28:50 PM PDT by ishabibble (ALL-AMERICAN INFIDEL)
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To: Bladerunnuh
“Sections of Hezbollah’s social welfare network, including schools and camps, are routinely used by the terror group to indoctrinate students in anti-Israel propaganda, instruct in military tactics and promote Shiite Islamic beliefs, including the waging of a final, apocalyptic world battle against “evil.” ........ I knew this sounded familiar!

Sections of the III Reich social welfare network, including schools and camps, are routinely used by the Party Members to indoctrinate students in anti-Joo propaganda, instruct in military tactics and promote National Socialist beliefs, including the waging of a final, apocalyptic world battle against “Bolsheviks.” OK I just replaced a couple of words, but its what it sounds like.

6 posted on 08/02/2007 4:31:06 PM PDT by Bringbackthedraft
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To: ishabibble

Hezbollah managed to secure a base of support in what they did. You are completely missing the point here in what Romney said.


7 posted on 08/02/2007 4:33:51 PM PDT by misterrob (There's no difference between a knee jerk liberal and a knee jerk conservative.)
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To: Bladerunnuh

As a PoliSci major, I learned that the Welfare State (Wohlfahrtsstaat) is a sub-type of the Police State (Polizeistaat). Using government to buy support of the mob is not a new idea, it goes back at least as far as Rome, it was called Caesarism. It’s not a model that has staying power and the US has been terrible at buying support. We’re then not willing to allow our guys to use the brutality necessary to stay in power, see South Vietnam and the Shah.


8 posted on 08/02/2007 4:35:06 PM PDT by Jabba the Nutt (Just laugh at them!)
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To: misterrob
What did Mitt say that I am missing? We should be more like Hezbollah? NO THANKS.
9 posted on 08/02/2007 4:57:41 PM PDT by ishabibble (ALL-AMERICAN INFIDEL)
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To: misterrob
"Hezbollah managed to secure a base of support in what they did.

So did Hitler.

10 posted on 08/02/2007 5:00:10 PM PDT by Diogenesis (Igitur qui desiderat pacem, praeparet bellum)
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To: misterrob
Hey, I understand what he was trying to say and I am one of Mitt's biggest fans --- but nobody is perfect. This was a bad example..... a gaffe. The first one he's made, I think.

----> He's realized the error of his ways and has already corrected the statement:

Mitt Romney's campaign said Hezbollah was not a proper model for his vision of U.S. diplomacy, addressing a controversy arising from his earlier remarks.

"Governor Romney believes that bloodthirsty terrorist organizations like Hezbollah and Hamas have smothered the progress of the people and nations where they have built their networks, Lebanon serving as an example," spokesman Kevin Madden said. "These terror organizations cannot and should not be allowed to gain an advantage with the citizenry in Muslim nations just because they mask their terror agenda with an offering of some vital services."

In other words, they had a good idea which they've used for evil and manipulation rather than good.

11 posted on 08/02/2007 5:05:02 PM PDT by redgirlinabluestate (Mitt4Change ------->Proven Executive Leadership -------> Less Baggage)
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To: Diogenesis
"So did Hitler."

Hitler did a lot of things just like you- You tie your shoes just like he did. You Nazi!

12 posted on 08/02/2007 5:16:00 PM PDT by SteveMcKing
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To: ishabibble

Wow, knee jerk reaction supreme there...


13 posted on 08/02/2007 5:23:04 PM PDT by misterrob (There's no difference between a knee jerk liberal and a knee jerk conservative.)
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To: redgirlinabluestate

They have built a base of influence by winning hearts and minds and it can be an effective tool. Good thing AQ has not figured that out or things in Iraq could be a lot worse. From the reactions out there on this comment it seems that people are indulging in political correctness instead of substance.


14 posted on 08/02/2007 5:25:17 PM PDT by misterrob (There's no difference between a knee jerk liberal and a knee jerk conservative.)
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To: SteveMcKing
Hitler did a lot of things just like you- You tie your shoes just like he did. You Nazi!

If you're learning to tie your shoes, do you look to Hitler for your example? NO.

If you're looking to win people over through charity, do you look to Hezbollah as your role model? NO.

For a smooth-talking snake oil salesman, Romney sure talks like an idiot a lot.

15 posted on 08/02/2007 5:27:23 PM PDT by JohnnyZ (Romney : "not really trying to define what is technically amnesty. I'll let the lawyers decide.")
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To: ishabibble

Next up: Mitt’s going to endorse Sen. Patty Murray’s idea of “building day care centers like Osama bin Laden does”.


16 posted on 08/02/2007 5:30:10 PM PDT by JohnnyZ (Romney : "not really trying to define what is technically amnesty. I'll let the lawyers decide.")
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To: SteveMcKing

Until your ad hominem, I never realized
how evil people such as you and Romney might be.


17 posted on 08/02/2007 5:37:11 PM PDT by Diogenesis (Igitur qui desiderat pacem, praeparet bellum)
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To: JohnnyZ
If you're learning to tie your shoes, do you look to Hitler for your example? NO.

Yes, one could in total morality. Shoelaces are not akin to genocide.

18 posted on 08/02/2007 5:40:13 PM PDT by SteveMcKing
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To: misterrob
C’mon now, even Mitt’s camp is saying it was wrong. I’m not kneejerking because I am firmly on Hunter’s side, and that will not change. That said, I wish Mitt no harm and think he is doing a fine job of adding to the debate. This notion that it’s Rudy, and only Rudy is absurd and frankly, irritating as hell. Fred, Mitt, Mike Huckabee, the more the merrier! When the convention rolls around, we are going to have tons of ideas and plans. So, it’s not a dig at Mitt, this “Hezbollah” BS is simply beyond the beyonds.
Does he really think like this?

Did you even watch the martyrdom of FARFOUR?

19 posted on 08/02/2007 5:40:50 PM PDT by ishabibble (ALL-AMERICAN INFIDEL)
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To: Diogenesis
"Until your ad hominem, I never realized how evil people such as you and Romney might be."

Oh feel the pain..... Cry tears for me, please, for I am evil incarnate.

Won't you pray for my salvation too?

You big baby.

20 posted on 08/02/2007 5:43:16 PM PDT by SteveMcKing
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To: ishabibble
The rip off Mickey Mouse was Al Aqsa/Hamas, not Hezbollah.

I happen to agree with what he is talking about here. If we are ever going to make friends with people in lower cultures then we have to win the hearts and minds and we have to look at what Hezbollah and other groups are doing since they are rather successful, no?

I will support whomever is going to stop the Dems from taking the WH. I will also look for the best candidates I can find for Congress and the Senate. I am not going to find the perfect candidate but even Lowest Common Denominator Rudy would be better than Hillary provided we had a good conservative group in the House and Senate to keep him on the right track.

21 posted on 08/02/2007 5:56:52 PM PDT by misterrob (There's no difference between a knee jerk liberal and a knee jerk conservative.)
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To: ishabibble; greyfoxx39

And America hasn’t built a school in say, Afghanistan? I thought this was the First Lady’s pet project and it was well covered by the press. Where has Romney been hiding to have missed this? He hasn’t come out from under the bed since her 2005 visit with Karzai? Amazing!


22 posted on 08/02/2007 6:01:22 PM PDT by Pan_Yans Wife (Life isn't fair. It's just fairer than death, that's all.--William Goldman)
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To: misterrob
Cuba says the same thing. Fidel sent doctors to Angola in the 70’s and he’s still claiming that he’s a humanitarian.
You can’t be serious...Hitler did it too, in Austria and Hungary.

Hamas. Hezbollah. Tomato. Tomatoe.
Face it, Mitt stepped in it big time.

23 posted on 08/02/2007 6:13:30 PM PDT by ishabibble (ALL-AMERICAN INFIDEL)
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To: Bladerunnuh

kind of an ultimate “Jump The Shark” moment, eh?


24 posted on 08/02/2007 6:13:43 PM PDT by xcamel ("It's Talk Thompson Time!" >> irc://irc.freenode.net/fredthompson)
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To: SteveMcKing

Yet another Romney wacko [pseudo-Special Forces] in his trolling post on MySpace.

25 posted on 08/02/2007 6:14:22 PM PDT by Diogenesis (Igitur qui desiderat pacem, praeparet bellum)
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To: redgirlinabluestate
The first one he's made, I think.

Ha!!...Come on!!

26 posted on 08/02/2007 6:16:25 PM PDT by Osage Orange (Steal from one person, and you're a criminal. Steal from EVERYONE, and you're a Government.)
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To: CheyennePress

Mitt “foot in the mouth” Romney ping


27 posted on 08/02/2007 6:18:48 PM PDT by indcons
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To: curiosity

Why is it misleading? Here’s the actual quote from Romney:

In remarks caught on camera by C-SPAN, Romney stated, “Did you notice in Lebanon what Hezbollah did? Lebanon became a democracy some time ago, and while their government was getting under way, Hezbollah went into southern Lebanon and provided health clinics to some of the people there, and schools.

“And they (Hezbollah) built their support there by having done so. That kind of diplomacy is something that would help America become stronger around the world and help people understand that our interest is an interest towards modernity and goodness and freedom for all people in the world. And so, I want to see America carry out that kind of health diplomacy.”


28 posted on 08/02/2007 6:21:08 PM PDT by indcons
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To: Bladerunnuh

He was talking about infrastructure, schools and hospitals, sillies.


29 posted on 08/02/2007 6:24:53 PM PDT by Saundra Duffy (Romney Rocks!!!)
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To: Bladerunnuh
This article by Aaron Klien includes two quotes by Mitt Romney and many quotes by someone other than Romney listing the evils of Hezbollah. This is a confusing article written to link Romney's quotes with others to make Romney sound as if he is a staunch supporter of Islamic terrorism. It's an obvious attempt to assassinate Romney.

The sychopants following Mitts opponents are licking drool in overtime with this article.

30 posted on 08/02/2007 6:26:58 PM PDT by LoneRangerMassachusetts (The only good Mullah is a dead Mullah. The only good Mosque is the one that used to be there.)
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To: Saundra Duffy

LOL...do some of you (Romney suporters) consider Sen. Patty “OBL was great because he built day care centers” Murray to be a foreign policy genius? /sarc

I guess this is why Romney didn’t want to capture OBL - Hezbollah and Hamas would be unhappy and might not want to share their social engineering skills with Mitt /mega sarc


31 posted on 08/02/2007 6:27:52 PM PDT by indcons
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To: LoneRangerMassachusetts

“It’s an obvious attempt to assassinate Romney.”

Talk about hyperbole!


32 posted on 08/02/2007 6:29:02 PM PDT by indcons
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To: indcons
Mitt Romney has no illusions about the terrorist core of Hezbollah. Hezbollah's image is improved by their non-terrorist initiatives, that is a fact, and he's referring only to those activities in this narrow context.

In a full statement for release, no doubt the candidate should unequivocally label Hezbollah as terrorist.

33 posted on 08/02/2007 6:31:25 PM PDT by NutCrackerBoy
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To: indcons
Talk about hyperbole!

Intentional.

34 posted on 08/02/2007 6:33:00 PM PDT by LoneRangerMassachusetts (The only good Mullah is a dead Mullah. The only good Mosque is the one that used to be there.)
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To: ishabibble

That, in the political arena is known as “political suicide”.


35 posted on 08/02/2007 6:56:28 PM PDT by jedward (Mission '08 - Take back the House & Senate. No Negotiations...No Prisoners.)
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To: Saundra Duffy

“He was talking about infrastructure, schools and hospitals, sillies.”

People running for President of the United States do not make those types of comparison errors. He issues a clarification of some kind, or he’s toast on that one statement. You can bank on that.


36 posted on 08/02/2007 7:00:24 PM PDT by jedward (Mission '08 - Take back the House & Senate. No Negotiations...No Prisoners.)
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To: indcons
It's misleading because Romney is not suggesting we use projects "Against Israel."

His point is that we should engage in public works projects in order to gain the sympathy of certain populations that might otherwise be hostile to us. If it worked for Hezbollah, and it could work for us.

He's not suggesting that we emulate Hezbollah's actions against Israel, which is what the headline implies.

37 posted on 08/02/2007 7:02:48 PM PDT by curiosity
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To: misterrob

Hitler, after all, was very efficient, and you know what Mussolini did for those trains...


38 posted on 08/02/2007 7:03:12 PM PDT by Brakeman (America can do nothing for the Muslim world)
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To: Bladerunnuh
"And they (Hezbollah) built their support there by having done so. That kind of diplomacy is something that would help America become stronger around the world and help people understand that our interest is an interest towards modernity and goodness and freedom for all people in the world. And so, I want to see America carry out that kind of health diplomacy."

I understand Mitt's point. Hezbolla endeared themselves to Lebanon's people, by giving them humanitarian aid like schools and health care, just as the U.S. soldiers in Iraq have endeared themselves to many Iraqi's by rebuilding their infrastructure, schools and by giving them medical care and other kinds of help. Romney sees this kind of effort, as a way to build and establish good relations with such countries.

Mitt is obviously NOT referring to the indoctrination programs implemented by Hezbolla along with their humanitarian aid, as this twisted article would lead people to believe.

The United States is already extending humanitarian aid all over the world. Many people feel our government has OVEREXTENDED itself, in this regard on the taxpayers dime, (I am one of them) and won't support more such measures.

This is NOT a cornerstone of any of Romney's policy proposals, and hardly disqualifies him from the presidency. Too many conservatives are far too quick to point the finger and pile on.

39 posted on 08/02/2007 7:03:54 PM PDT by TAdams8591 ( Guiliani is a Democrat in Republican drag. Mitt Romney for president in 2008! : ))
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To: curiosity

He did mention Hezbollah specifically.

And, is it really that conservative to spread big government programs all over the world? With your tax money?


40 posted on 08/02/2007 7:04:37 PM PDT by Brakeman (America can do nothing for the Muslim world)
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To: ishabibble
No, he means that we can gain the sympathy of certain population groups by assisting them with various public works projects. His point was that it worked for Hezbollah, so it could work for us.

This headline is really misleading. Typical WND garbage.

41 posted on 08/02/2007 7:05:05 PM PDT by curiosity
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To: misterrob
World Nut Daily has become worse than the NYTs in terms of distorting news. It's shameful.
42 posted on 08/02/2007 7:06:14 PM PDT by curiosity
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To: Bladerunnuh

http://www.gohunter08.com/


43 posted on 08/02/2007 7:06:40 PM PDT by airborne (ATTENTION PA FREEPERS !! https://contribute.gohunter08.com/contribute.asp)
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To: Brakeman

Like the Trillion we will wind up spending in Iraq when it’s all said and done?


44 posted on 08/02/2007 7:08:32 PM PDT by misterrob (There's no difference between a knee jerk liberal and a knee jerk conservative.)
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To: Brakeman

So WTF does that have to do with anything?


45 posted on 08/02/2007 7:09:47 PM PDT by misterrob (There's no difference between a knee jerk liberal and a knee jerk conservative.)
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To: Bladerunnuh

Who would have thought it?


46 posted on 08/02/2007 7:10:53 PM PDT by monkeycard (There is no such thing as too much ammo.)
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To: curiosity
"WND sinks lower and lower every day. Very sad."

If this article is any indication, they truly do!

47 posted on 08/02/2007 7:11:24 PM PDT by TAdams8591 ( Guiliani is a Democrat in Republican drag. Mitt Romney for president in 2008! : ))
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To: curiosity

They could have easily pointed out how Mitt stepped in it and been right on the mark. Instead, they have to distort what he said so as to push their own agenda.

Mitt ain’t in my top 3 but he’ll get my vote if it means a dem is denied the WH.


48 posted on 08/02/2007 7:12:21 PM PDT by misterrob (There's no difference between a knee jerk liberal and a knee jerk conservative.)
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To: ishabibble
I don't remember which liberal it was, but whoever it was a few years ago was touting Bin Laden for all of his good work building schools and roads.

disclaimer: I did not read the whole article or the thread

49 posted on 08/02/2007 7:13:06 PM PDT by Syncro
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To: curiosity
Forget WND, does Mitt Romney honestly think that Hezbollah helped Christians and Jews in Lebanon? That’s not even naive, that’s clueless.

You might want to listen to someone who knows far more about Hezbollah in southern Lebanon that either you or I. Just follow the link, or better yet, send it on to Mitt.

http://209.157.64.201/focus/f-news/1726502/posts

50 posted on 08/02/2007 7:13:43 PM PDT by ishabibble (ALL-AMERICAN INFIDEL)
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