Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

Skip to comments.

Missing the Point: ‘God Talk’ and Politics
Breakpoint with Chuck Colson ^ | 8/3/2007 | Mark Earley

Posted on 08/02/2007 9:24:34 PM PDT by Mr. Silverback

Note: This commentary was delivered by Prison Fellowship President Mark Earley.

For the past several months, the media have been full of stories about outreach efforts to evangelical voters by candidates from the major political parties. The candidates have had faith forums, websites, as well as simply talking a lot about God.

There’s a place for religion in the public square, and any effort to make that bipartisan is welcome from me. But if Democrats ¾ or Republicans ¾ think that wooing evangelical voters is about “God talk,” they are mistaken. ­

At a recent event sponsored by Sojourners magazine, the Democratic presidential candidates described what the New York Times called their “journeys of faith.” They answered questions about “the biggest sin you’ve ever committed” and how their own faith has sustained them in difficult times. Questions I consider somewhat irrelevant to a political campaign, but clearly aimed at wooing faith voters.

In addition, in a much-commented-upon New York Times interview, Senator Clinton talked about the importance of forgiveness and how her faith was “crucial to the challenges [she] faced.”

Similar things have been said by and written about senators Obama and Edwards, as well as the major Republican candidates.

I appreciate that the candidates are taking a risk when they talk about their faith: As the Times noted, there are “liberals who object to any injection of religion into politics,” and they are part of the Democratic Party’s base. As for Republicans, when they do it, it gives the media a clear shot to label them as right wing extremists.

The problem is that all of this “God talk” misses the point: what Christians want ¾ or should want ¾ is a candidate who shares their moral and cultural concerns, not just their religious vocabulary. A candidate may address a Hispanic audience in Spanish, but that says nothing about where he aligns with them on issues.

An example of this missing the point is a recent story in the Chicago Tribune, whose headline read “Democrats Pledge Support for Wide Access to Abortion.”

The very same candidates who had been appealing to evangelical voters a few days before went before Planned Parenthood and promised to appoint judges that would uphold Roe vs. Wade and promised to mandate public financing in their universal health care plans.

It’s difficult to imagine positions more at odds with the motivations of the very evangelical voters they’re trying to court. Protecting the lives of unborn children has been the cornerstone of politically active Christians for the past thirty years.

It’s hard to know which is worse: that candidates think that talking about religion will make evangelical Christians forget why they care about politics—or that they might be right.

Democrats and Republicans are suggesting that Christians set aside their concerns about the sanctity of life and preservation of the family. Indeed, the same period that saw all the stories about Democrats and religion saw stories about a “maturing” of the evangelical vote on the Republican side.

By “maturing,” the commentators meant that Christians are willing to overlook where GOP hopefuls stand on abortion and same-sex marriage.

But if we do that, we will have forgotten why we got involved in the first place. Like the candidates, we’ll be missing the point. As the country song says, “How about a little less talk, and a lot more action?”


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Editorial; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: breakpoint
I think the "maturing" bit is just wishful thinking on the part of the drive-bys. We're not going to run a pro-abortion pro-amnesty gun grabber extremist from New York against a pro-abortion pro-amnesty gun grabber extremist from New York. That dog won't hunt.

There are links to further information at the source document.

If anyone wants on or off my Chuck Colson/BreakPoint Ping List, please notify me here or by freepmail.

1 posted on 08/02/2007 9:24:36 PM PDT by Mr. Silverback
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | View Replies]

To: 05 Mustang GT Rocks; 351 Cleveland; AFPhys; agenda_express; almcbean; ambrose; Amos the Prophet; ...

BreakPoint/Chuck Colson Ping!

If anyone wants on or off my Chuck Colson/BreakPoint Ping List, please notify me here or by freepmail.

2 posted on 08/02/2007 9:25:18 PM PDT by Mr. Silverback (Backing Tribe al-Ameriki even if the Congress won't.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: 2nd amendment mama; A2J; Agitate; AliVeritas; Alouette; Annie03; aposiopetic; attagirl; Augie76; ...

ProLife Ping!

If anyone wants on or off my ProLife Ping List, please notify me here or by freepmail.

3 posted on 08/02/2007 9:26:44 PM PDT by Mr. Silverback (Backing Tribe al-Ameriki even if the Congress won't.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Mr. Silverback

“The problem is that all of this “God talk” misses the point: what Christians want ... is a candidate who shares their moral and cultural concerns, not just their religious vocabulary.” The DNC brings their politicians into a ‘think tank’ meeting to figure out how to sound religious. Yes, they actually have done this! God? What do they need of Him when they can sound religious and get the votes? Pfffft! Being instead of just mouthing is for those religious fanatics. This is just another issue over which the DNC must figure the best way to manipulate the stupid voters. Abortion? Who care if God sees it as evil, it empowers democrats to support and defend the evil. ... Even so, come quickly Lord Jesus!


4 posted on 08/02/2007 9:33:07 PM PDT by MHGinTN (You've had life support. Promote life support for those in the womb.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Mr. Silverback

Anyone who advocates killing an innocent child is a murderer, it’s that simple.


5 posted on 08/02/2007 9:40:04 PM PDT by Graybeard58 (Remember and pray for SSgt. Matt Maupin - MIA/POW- Iraq since 04/09/04)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Graybeard58

Well, no it’s not that simple, because right away, with “innocent child”, you are embroiled in semantics. Why not say, “anyone who advocates destroying human embryos is a murderer”? Presumably, this is what you mean. Why would you hesitate to pronounce this judgment, then?


6 posted on 08/02/2007 10:10:24 PM PDT by dr_lew
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 5 | View Replies]

To: dr_lew
Why would you hesitate to pronounce this judgment, then?

You are the one playing with words and I won't play. Abortion is murder. Argue with yourself.

7 posted on 08/02/2007 10:39:24 PM PDT by Graybeard58 (Remember and pray for SSgt. Matt Maupin - MIA/POW- Iraq since 04/09/04)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 6 | View Replies]

To: Graybeard58

Well then, why didn’t you say “Abortion is murder” in the first place? Why the rhetorical flourish?


8 posted on 08/02/2007 10:48:13 PM PDT by dr_lew
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 7 | View Replies]

To: MHGinTN

“God talk” with a socialist bent doesn’t impress me, but it can deceive a few out there.

The right to life must be highlighted in dramatic ways that take the “faith” issue away from the two-faced double-talking politicians.

Christians and the world around them need committed leaders and followers who will speak without compromise in the politicians faces.

Characters like Hillary Rodham need to get it like this:

When her kind speaks of abortion being “safe, legal and rare” lets respond.

“Abortion is safe when its illegal, not rare.”

“Abortion gets rarer when its not legal.”

Etc., etc.


9 posted on 08/03/2007 1:54:56 AM PDT by Nextrush
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 4 | View Replies]

To: MHGinTN

Liberals attempting to hijack Christ’s message of redemption for their own ideological purposes...

I remember how in the late sixties campus radicals tried to characterize Jesus as a bearded sandal-wearing antiestablishment revolutionary who loved the poor (i.e., just like them), ergo, you must embrace their `progressive agenda’ in order to be a true Christian.

Same-o, same-o, these people never change.


10 posted on 08/03/2007 3:47:13 AM PDT by elcid1970
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 4 | View Replies]

To: dr_lew; Graybeard58
I can't speak for Graybeard58, but I oppose killing human zygotes, morulas, blastocysts, embryos, fetuses, neonates, nurselings, babies, infants and toddlers, tweens and teens, grads and post-grads, 20-somethings through 100-somethings --- which means to say every one of us from Day One to Dies Irae.

I prefer, in all but technical-medical discussions, to use the more common words (newborn vs neonate, mother vs female parental unit, whatever) because the common terms more accurately connote membership in my family, the human family.

Hence, child rather than embryo.

11 posted on 08/03/2007 5:22:47 AM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (Point of clarfication.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 6 | View Replies]

To: Mrs. Don-o

Anyone who uses the term “rhetorical flourish”, is the person who is using rhetorical flourish.

Some try to impress others with their vocabulary, even when it means moving away from the subject at hand. I’ve learned to ignore them and even better, not even acknowledge their existence.

They are as bad, if not worse than the grammar or spelling police on this forum.


12 posted on 08/03/2007 6:10:08 AM PDT by Graybeard58 (Remember and pray for SSgt. Matt Maupin - MIA/POW- Iraq since 04/09/04)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 11 | View Replies]

To: Mr. Silverback
It’s hard to know which is worse: that candidates think that talking about religion will make evangelical Christians forget why they care about politics—or that they might be right.

I think it's sad, but I believe many evangelical Christians don't care. Being a part of the evangelical camp myself, I've got an up front view of it. And even the ones who do care, don't understand why they care on any issue outside of pro-life issues. Unfortunately, I find that evangelical Christians are dangerously comfortable with government solutions to social problems. That's the exact opposite of what's supposed to happen. The Founding Fathers themselves believed that social ills were beyond the capacity of government to deal with and should be left in the hands of the experts: the church.

On the flip side, there are important issues that evangelical Christians don't seem to care about. 2nd Amendment issues are a good example here. The feminization of the modern church in America has, to a large degree, put this issue by the way side among evangelicals. I wish I could make people understand that the persecution of the church cannot happen in earnest while the people are able to defend themselves. I view the issue as having co-equal importance with pro-life issues. Outlawing abortion and euthanasia preserves lives and is the right thing to do. Allowing the people to keep and bear their arms also saves lives.

I'm also concerned by the fact that evangelicals in general are completely unaware of our American heritage or how our system of government is supposed to work.
13 posted on 08/03/2007 6:52:53 AM PDT by JamesP81 (Keep your friends close; keep your enemies at optimal engagement range)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: dr_lew
because right away, with “innocent child”, you are embroiled in semantics. Why not say, “anyone who advocates destroying human embryos is a murderer”?

Human embryos? Innocent child? You are repeating yourself.
14 posted on 08/03/2007 6:54:42 AM PDT by JamesP81 (Keep your friends close; keep your enemies at optimal engagement range)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 6 | View Replies]

To: JamesP81

Very well said, my friend. I know we are talking about the evangelical Christians here but the problem is much broader than the feminization of the church. It is also the feminization of a large numbers of American men, Christians or not, and the surrender of the leadership role that God ordained for them. I hope I don’t offend anyone but the term I use is “the p*ssification of the American male.”


15 posted on 08/03/2007 6:36:15 PM PDT by 05 Mustang GT Rocks
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 13 | View Replies]

Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.

Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

FreeRepublic, LLC, PO BOX 9771, FRESNO, CA 93794
FreeRepublic.com is powered by software copyright 2000-2008 John Robinson