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Senate Passes Children’s Health Bill, 68-31
NY Times ^ | August 3, 2007 | ROBERT PEAR

Posted on 08/03/2007 12:25:55 AM PDT by neverdem

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To: Darkwolf377

There’s a wide chasm between political principles and cash in hand.


21 posted on 08/03/2007 4:04:16 AM PDT by durasell (!)
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To: neverdem
The Senate defied President Bush on Thursday and passed a bipartisan bill that would provide health insurance for millions of children in low-income families. The vote was 68 to 31.

When have we stepped back from our slide into socialism? We are constantly expanding our government health care to include more and more coverage for children, the poor, and the helpless. We are teaching our children that they are entitled to more pay, free health care, free food. The Marxist Democrats will not be happy until we are like Cuba or Communist China.

22 posted on 08/03/2007 4:05:11 AM PDT by olezip
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To: johnny7

Gee...I thought all the posters here on FR who stayed home in 06 to teach the GOP lesson cleared all those RINOS out...


23 posted on 08/03/2007 4:12:59 AM PDT by paltz
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To: neverdem; Gabz; Eric Blair 2084; SheLion

Ping, Here we go......

Time to break out the T-Shirts:

Congress needs you to start smoking

I smoke for the Children

Please smoke - Kids need Medicine

Smoke “It’s for the Children”


24 posted on 08/03/2007 4:21:01 AM PDT by libertarian27 (Land of the Fee)
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To: neverdem

There is something very sinister about targeting the children of America as a Trojan Horse way of forcing through Socialism.


25 posted on 08/03/2007 6:22:53 AM PDT by montag813
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To: neverdem
The majority was more than enough to overcome the veto repeatedly threatened by Mr. Bush. The White House said the bill “goes too far in federalizing health care.

BWAHAHAHAHAHA “goes too far in federalizing health care" - so says the same President that championed No Child Left Behind. The irony is rich.
26 posted on 08/03/2007 9:49:17 AM PDT by af_vet_rr
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To: montag813
There is something very sinister about targeting the children of America as a Trojan Horse way of forcing through Socialism.

It is incredibly sinister. First off, we had No Child Left Behind, which the liberals love. It's basically dictating to local schools, and if they don't like it or don't comply, federal funding (or as I like to call it, our tax dollars) disappears. Now this bill.

Education and Health Care - what else is left to take over in regards to children, if the feds control, one way or another, those two things.
27 posted on 08/03/2007 9:52:42 AM PDT by af_vet_rr
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To: neverdem

SEND A MESSAGE TO THE WHITE HOUSE: VETO THIS BILL.

DEMAND EACH PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE TO PUBLICLY OPPOSE THIS BILL.

WRITE LETTERS TO EDITOR - THIS IS CREEPING SOCIALIZED MEDICINE.
SOCIALIZED MEDICINE IS BAD ENOUGH, BUT SOCIALIZED MEDICINE FOR ILLEGAL IMMIGRANT FAMILIES IS GOING WAY TOO FAR!


28 posted on 08/03/2007 11:06:49 AM PDT by WOSG ( Don't tell me what you are against, tell me what you are FOR.)
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To: WOSG
PING!!

"It does not require a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority keen to set brush fires in people's minds."-Samuel Adams

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FReepmail to be added to the Congress Watch Ping List.

29 posted on 08/03/2007 11:12:03 AM PDT by Politicalmom (Of the potential GOP front runners, FT has one of the better records on immigration.- NumbersUSA)
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To: neverdem

MORE BAD BILLS FROM A TERRIBLE CONGRESS:
“Either way, Pelosi’s energy legislation deserves to sink. It contains a multibillion-dollar tax increase, authorizes billions in new spending, and opens up taxpayer wallets to lawsuits over the government’s inability to meet its own global-warming goals. The nation’s energy needs are best met when Congress keeps its hands off the market.”


30 posted on 08/03/2007 11:14:04 AM PDT by WOSG ( Don't tell me what you are against, tell me what you are FOR.)
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To: Darkwolf377

“It’s simple—we sat back while the liberals brought up a generation of kids to expect government to GIVE them stuff.”

1) *I* am not raising liberal kids. I hope.
2) We need school CHOICE, and any conservative who is against school choice is unwittingly for the future socialist America.
3) The best way to fight that expectation is to fight that reality. Be against any and all welfare programs.

“No one here at FR would give up their Social Security check, I’ll wager.”

I would, so long as you stop taxing me on it too.


I am very, very pessimistic about not only the 2008 election (I’ve written off the Repubs already), but—”

Pessimism is unwarranted. History hasn’t been written. This is an awful awful Congress, that is taxing and spending worse than any congress in a long time. Their incompetence is unprecedented and the badness of the bills passed is incredible.

With such a bad Congress, we have the opportunity to get people to WAKE UP and see how voting Democrat is bad for the country.

“I’ll just avoid all the silly posts about “bringing us down” and “quitting,” which is what one gets from the those wearing rose-tinted glasses around here.”

Telling people not to quit is not a ‘rose-tinted glasses’ comment. That is simply Success 101 - Winners never quit. You only fail if you give up trying.


31 posted on 08/03/2007 11:36:07 AM PDT by WOSG ( Don't tell me what you are against, tell me what you are FOR.)
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To: olezip

Medicaid *already* covers the poor.

This bill expands it to cover the *majority* of ‘children’ up to 25 years of age. This is socialized medicine, in parts.


32 posted on 08/03/2007 11:39:16 AM PDT by WOSG ( Don't tell me what you are against, tell me what you are FOR.)
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To: WOSG
“No one here at FR would give up their Social Security check, I’ll wager.” I would, so long as you stop taxing me on it too.

"You"? I'm not taxing anyone on anything.

Pessimism is unwarranted. History hasn’t been written. This is an awful awful Congress, that is taxing and spending worse than any congress in a long time. Their incompetence is unprecedented and the badness of the bills passed is incredible. With such a bad Congress, we have the opportunity to get people to WAKE UP and see how voting Democrat is bad for the country.

Pessimism certainly IS warranted. The "we have to wake people up!" approach would be fine IF we had the opportunity to do this. Where is the evidence that people WANT to be woken up? That's my whole point--every four years, more kids who've been brought up to think that liberalism is moderation are coming onto the voting rolls, not to mention illegals. Where is this "awakening" going to happen--home schooling? Dream on--the numbers aren't there. Look at the last election--Democrats made big inroads into Republican territory, while Republicans made ZERO inroads into democrat territory.

Telling people not to quit is not a ‘rose-tinted glasses’ comment. That is simply Success 101 - Winners never quit. You only fail if you give up trying.

Never said I was going to quit--I wrote that I would avoid those who equate realism with quitting. And believing that we will only fail if we give up is not realistic--sometimes you try hard and still fail, and it's fantasy to believe otherwise.

It's not advocating quitting to be realistic about the demographics of the 2008 election, and the media and education population being overwhelmingly leftist.

33 posted on 08/03/2007 9:13:12 PM PDT by Darkwolf377 (PRO-FRED (Use all caps--it bugs the Fred-haters ;))
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To: WOSG

Everybody wants children to be healthy and full of vigor. So if you say, “it is for the children,” the apathetic will say “I agree with that.” But exactly what health care are we talking about? vitamins? inoculations? dental? accidents? mental health (ritalin)? birth control? weight control? other freebies and entitlements? Where does the parental responsibility end and the government intervention begin? Are parents too stupid and incompetent to care for their children? Or do the Marxist Democrats want to take them away from their parents like in Cuba, so they can be brainwashed by the government?


34 posted on 08/04/2007 4:46:59 AM PDT by olezip
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To: Darkwolf377
No one here at FR would give up their Social Security check, I'll wager.

I hope you have a lot of money to lose.

I'm 48 years old, It would be a no brainer to get out the dollars I put in without any interest back and invest it myself.

I would do it in a heartbeat

35 posted on 08/04/2007 4:56:11 AM PDT by Popman (I removed my Bushbot brain chip after he didn't veto the McCain Feingold election anti freedom bill)
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