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Bush sets September climate conference
Terra Daily ^ | 08/03/2007 | AFP

Posted on 08/03/2007 7:51:12 AM PDT by cogitator

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AHEM. Stratospheric cooling is a predicted and observed consequence of both ozone depletion (the primary cause) and global warming* (the secondary cause).

Yet another example of why I generally ignore your posts. If stratospheric cooling is a consequence of ozone depletion, then the reduction in CFCs should have led to an increase in stratospheric temperatures. The fact that a decrease has occurred should lead a reasonable observer to question why not?

61 posted on 08/13/2007 1:28:10 PM PDT by vbmoneyspender
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Yet another example of why I generally ignore your posts. If stratospheric cooling is a consequence of ozone depletion, then the reduction in CFCs should have led to an increase in stratospheric temperatures.

The qualitative explanation is that the reduction in ozone concentrations has occurred over several decades, affecting the stratospheric temperature, and the recovery (to date) has not been sufficient to compensate for the loss. As you noted, the recent ozone holes have been record-breakers. Since it's the ozone and the not the CFCs that is important, then the stratosphere is still cooling off. (Unfortunately.)

In the graph below, TLS stands for "Temperature Lower Stratosphere". This is MSU/AMSU data analyzed by Remote Sensing Systems. What I'd like to see is what the trend is after the end of the Pinatubo effect, i.e. from 1994-present. Eyeballing it on the -1.0 line makes it look pretty flat.

Another way to see it is below. I invite you to peruse the whole article -- it's nice and short, but I think it addresses the substance of the points you've raised. (They misspelled "El Chichon", by the way.) I particularly note the importance of the section entitled "Greehouse gases cause cooling higher up, too" for anyone who thinks that global warming due to anthropogenic GHG emissions to the atmosphere is not occurring.

Global warming causes stratospheric cooling


62 posted on 08/13/2007 2:21:13 PM PDT by cogitator
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