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Renegade Democrats’ votes caused late night chaos
The Hill ^ | 8/3/07 | Mike Soraghan

Posted on 08/03/2007 7:24:53 PM PDT by Jean S

The 14 House Democrats who voted for a contentious procedural rule Thursday night that threw the House into chaos actually violated a leadership policy designed to ensure party unity.

The vote, aides said, has sparked renewed discussions among Democratic leaders about changing the way they deal with the procedural votes sponsored by the minority, called “motions to recommit.”

In April, Democratic leaders asked members to vote against such motions if they actually “recommit” the bill back to committee. Such a move is often fatal to the underlying bill.

Other motions to recommit simply amend the bill and do not send it back to committee. Democratic leaders decided not to enforce party discipline on such bills, allowing members to vote their conscience.

Last night’s vote would have sent the Agriculture Appropriations bill back to committee to bar illegal immigrants from receiving federal funds, the kind of vote members have been instructed to vote against.

But at first, 19 Democrats voted against it. In the end, five members changed their vote, so in the tally on the House website, 14 Democrats voted against it.

When Republicans controlled the House, all members were ordered to vote against motions to recommit from the Democratic minority as a matter of party discipline.

Since Democrats took over in January, Republicans have succeeded in bedeviling the new majority with procedural motions that force Democrats to take unpopular stands to save a bill.

The GOP stalled consideration of a bill giving Washington, D.C. and Utah a voting representative in Congress by bringing up a gun-related measure.

When Democrats considered changing the rules in June, Republicans used other procedural tactics to shut down the floor until Democrats agreed not to attempt the change.

 

House Rules Chairwoman Louise Slaughter (D-N.Y.) has advocated requiring all Democrats to vote against GOP procedural motions. House Majority Leader Steny Hoyer (D-Md.) has said that’s not necessary.

Republicans say any attempt to change the way procedural motions are handled shows that Democrats are in disarray.

“The first time we had them at check-mate with a motion-to-recommit promptly they ran off the floor to avoid the vote and hatched a plan to gut the rules. This time, they simply changed the vote to their desired outcome,” said Brian Kennedy, spokesman for House Minority Leader John Boehner (R-Ohio). “And now we’re back to changing the House’s 185-year old germaneness rules? This majority is an embarrassment to the institution.”


TOPICS: Extended News; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: 110th
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House erupts in chaos

1 posted on 08/03/2007 7:24:57 PM PDT by Jean S
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To: JeanS

Unless C-SPAN edited the video wrong...the voting continued after the gavel fell. I can post the link to the video if anyone wants it.


2 posted on 08/03/2007 7:32:36 PM PDT by P-40 (Al Qaeda was working in Iraq. They were just undocumented.)
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To: P-40

i would love to see the video if you have a link.


3 posted on 08/03/2007 7:34:53 PM PDT by normy (Don't hit at all if it is honorably possible to avoid hitting; but never hit soft.)
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To: JeanS

The DEMOCRATS are corrupt SOBs; I wish someone would get into a real “fight” with them..Maybe we should call “Sen” Miller (Dual), and really see if the’re men and women enough to stand up and support their position. Goodness I wish duals..were legal! It would settle many problems associated with our pansy liberal post-modern society!


4 posted on 08/03/2007 7:35:17 PM PDT by JSDude1 (Republicans if the don't beware ARE the new WHIGS! (all empty hairpieces..) :).)
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To: JeanS

I heard on Fox earlier that it nearly resulted in fisticuffs.


5 posted on 08/03/2007 7:38:05 PM PDT by lesser_satan (Fred Thompson '08)
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To: normy

Maybe Jim Robinson should put the video on the home page!!!


6 posted on 08/03/2007 7:38:28 PM PDT by TheEaglehasLanded
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To: normy
This is the conference from today:

rtsp://video.c-span.org/project/im/im080307_gop2.rm

Congressional Republican News Conference
Reps. Mike Pence (R-IN) and others spoke to reporters about the House vote on the Agriculture bill Thursday night and the amendment on illegal immigration.
8/3/2007: WASHINGTON, DC:

This is from last night when all heck breaks loose.

rtsp://video.c-span.org/15days/e080207_housefloor.rm

House Floor Debate on Agriculture Bill
House Floor debate and vote on fiscal 2008 agriculture appropriations bill HR 3161.
8/2/2007: WASHINGTON, DC: 10 min.

This is a bit more from last night.

rtsp://video.c-span.org/15days/e080307_housefloor.rm

Reps. Hoyer & Boehner House Floor Remarks
House Majority Leader Rep. Steny Hoyer (D-MD) & House Minority Leader Rep. John Boehner (R-OH) speak on the House floor regarding the Thursday evening vote on 2008 agriculture appropriations bill HR 3161.
8/3/2007: WASHINGTON, DC: 18 min.
7 posted on 08/03/2007 7:46:26 PM PDT by P-40 (Al Qaeda was working in Iraq. They were just undocumented.)
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To: lesser_satan; wardaddy; Paleo Conservative

Ah, for the good old days...

8 posted on 08/03/2007 7:50:18 PM PDT by Clemenza (Rudy Giuliani, like Pesto and Seattle, belongs in the scrap heap of '90s Culture)
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To: Clemenza

Is that Robert Byrd in the background?


9 posted on 08/03/2007 7:54:40 PM PDT by lesser_satan (Fred Thompson '08)
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To: lesser_satan
I heard on Fox earlier that it nearly resulted in fisticuffs.

Fisticuffs...more proof that FOX is a liberal network trying to act conservative. The actual conservative expression would be that someone nearly got their ass kicked.
10 posted on 08/03/2007 7:55:42 PM PDT by P-40 (Al Qaeda was working in Iraq. They were just undocumented.)
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To: JeanS

They could use a moderator.


11 posted on 08/03/2007 8:21:37 PM PDT by Graymatter
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To: lesser_satan

You mean in the middle, with the open-mouthed smile.

Uncanny resemblance!

Good catch!


12 posted on 08/03/2007 8:40:23 PM PDT by Westbrook (Having more children does not divide your love, it multiplies it!)
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To: Westbrook

He’s old enough too.


13 posted on 08/03/2007 11:27:37 PM PDT by lesser_satan (Fred Thompson '08)
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To: Clemenza
poor Sumner never was the same but it was the end of Dixie

hey....it would tickle me to death to see them have to literally defend their big mouths

14 posted on 08/03/2007 11:42:20 PM PDT by wardaddy (O'Reilly....I'm ashamed I bought two of your books, you liar)
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To: P-40

Thank you.


15 posted on 08/04/2007 4:38:54 AM PDT by normy (Don't hit at all if it is honorably possible to avoid hitting; but never hit soft.)
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To: JeanS

Get the MSM to show the video on the evening news.

Arrest and jail the perps.

It won’t happen again.


I can dream, can’t I?


16 posted on 08/04/2007 1:13:45 PM PDT by UCANSEE2
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