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Vick dogfighting case opens up racial divide
MSNBC ^ | 8/3/2007 | A/P

Posted on 08/03/2007 8:55:35 PM PDT by Altura Ct.

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To: Altura Ct.
“Black people didn’t care about O.J.,” he said. “But we felt like we finally won.”

It is this type of comment, seen over and over again, that makes me struggle to not despise a race of people.

WHAT did they win? They let a murderer go. That satisfies people.

NEVER in a billion years can I see myself ever celebrating the acquittal of a murderer because he is white, a republican, or a relative of mine. Won't happen.

41 posted on 08/03/2007 10:45:38 PM PDT by Dianna
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To: A6M3

I think he missed a “g’wine” or two there and he didn’t speak directly to “ol’ Missuh Ax” so I have my doubts about this man’s negro authenticity.


42 posted on 08/03/2007 10:48:46 PM PDT by james500
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To: LowOiL

I think ( or hope ) anyway that people are a bit more kind to animals then they were in the “good old days “ . Not EVERYTHING was good in the good old days by the way . Drowning cats in a sack is not the the best way to get rid of strays.Anyone who can be indifferent to the sufferings of animals is not really all human in my book.


43 posted on 08/03/2007 10:54:01 PM PDT by sonic109
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To: LowOiL

BTW, is your grandma’s last name Vick?


44 posted on 08/03/2007 11:43:39 PM PDT by Rottweilerson (If you want a friend...Feed any animal.)
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To: MplsSteve

they did not care that OJ killed those folks.

they wanted him acquitted....he was one of them though he had rejected black culture and black women


45 posted on 08/03/2007 11:47:16 PM PDT by wardaddy (O'Reilly....I'm ashamed I bought two of your books, you liar)
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To: Altura Ct.

I’m guess I am a black man this go around.....never thought I’d be saying that.

Unlike many here I don’t think what Vick did deserves years in prison.

I find it disturbing that so many folks get more upset over dog killing than other killings that to me are more serious.

I think dog fighting first offense should be a misdemeanor.


46 posted on 08/03/2007 11:49:34 PM PDT by wardaddy (O'Reilly....I'm ashamed I bought two of your books, you liar)
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To: Finalapproach29er
like southern white juries during the pre-civil rights era.

pretty easy for a Minneapolis cracker to say...lol

47 posted on 08/03/2007 11:51:39 PM PDT by wardaddy (O'Reilly....I'm ashamed I bought two of your books, you liar)
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To: Finalapproach29er
like southern white juries during the pre-civil rights era.

pretty easy for a Minnesota cracker to say...lol

48 posted on 08/03/2007 11:52:26 PM PDT by wardaddy (O'Reilly....I'm ashamed I bought two of your books, you liar)
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To: Altura Ct.

I’m shocked, I tell you. Just shocked!


49 posted on 08/03/2007 11:55:58 PM PDT by BnBlFlag (Deo Vindice/Semper Fidelis "Ya gotta saddle up your boys; Ya gotta draw a hard line")
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To: wardaddy

Race has nothing to do with it. It’s the way they treat the dogs that deserves punishment. Your right, humans getting murders is worse then other animals. If I only had a choice of saving either a person or an animal, I would save the person over the animal even if the human was a jerk. However short of that, unless your going to eat the animal, they are not for sport!


50 posted on 08/04/2007 12:04:16 AM PDT by Rottweilerson (If you want a friend...Feed any animal.)
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To: Rottweilerson
However short of that, unless your going to eat the animal, they are not for sport!

and precisely here do I say dog fighting was a sport? or that I approve?

do you assume I think that because I don't think Vick should be drawn and quartered?

this obsession with nature and animals while our culture disintegrates around us is very telling

folks are so emo about animals...at least from your moniker I can assume you are not one of those here who thinks Pits should be eliminated from America.

51 posted on 08/04/2007 12:31:17 AM PDT by wardaddy (O'Reilly....I'm ashamed I bought two of your books, you liar)
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To: wardaddy
I don’t want him (Vick) drawn & quartered either. I don’t wan’t anything to happen to him until a jury or a plea sets the record straight. I just am sick of some folks making him out to be a victim. His own cousin is testifying against him BTW. That does not make him guilty, but it also dosn’t make him a victim either.
52 posted on 08/04/2007 12:50:14 AM PDT by Rottweilerson (If you want a friend...Feed any animal.)
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To: Altura Ct.

““White folks ‘been grindin’ on an ax ... and that ax ain’t got sharp enough for them,” said Earnest Hardy Sr., who called the case a witch hunt targeting a successful black man.”

Because it’s pulled out so often, this particular excuse, IMHO, has long since lost any punch. It’s so common that it hardly registers with most people.It might have worked thirty years ago, but not now. There are many “successful black” men in this country and a good number of them are professional athletes like Vick. I don’t see them as targets of a “witch hunt”.

As I see it, all that matters here is if Vick knew about, participated in, or in any way condoned the horrible activities that took place on his property? All the rest is a school of red herring.


53 posted on 08/04/2007 3:12:05 AM PDT by Mila
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To: Altura Ct.

Mike isn’t the only Vick that is a bad apple. His brother got thrown off the Va. Tech. team for being a P.O.S. just like his big brother.
Very talented athletes but never the less, real dirt bags both.


54 posted on 08/04/2007 4:44:56 AM PDT by Joe Boucher (An enemy of Islam)
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To: Altura Ct.

The author of this article doesn’t seem to have paid much attention to what many of the posters here on FR, many of us white, have been saying about this case and what Rush has said. After the racist media circus, promoted by the NAACP, among others, that surrounded the Duke “Rape Case,” it became clear to many of us that seriously abusive prosecutions can happen. Even though, IMHO, the evidence against Vick is vastly stronger than that in the Duke case, he’s still entitled to a fair trial and not to be prejudged by being deprived of his livelihood. Thus, I am withholding personal judgment other than to say it looks like there’s some very strong evidence against him that he and his lawyers will have to overcome if he doesn’t want to lose just about everything he’s worked for in his whole life.

Also, in this case and based on the information that’s been disclosed, it’s pretty clear that the Feds are operating in good faith without a racial motive. Organized dog fighting is a vile, serious crime with horrible direct impacts on the dogs and indirect impacts on people not involved in it who run afoul of dogs that have been used in it. The Federal Government has every reason to crack down on it. When it catches a defendant, like Vick, who’s a high profile athlete and against whom it has substantial direct testimonial evidence and significant physical evidence that he was running a dog fighters’ Disney World, it’s entirely proper to prosecute him for the deterrent effect alone. Indeed, the government’s just following the same pattern it’s followed in a host of other high profile cases involving white people, like Martha Stewart. Hence, it’s impossible to say in good faith that it’s indicted Vick because he’s black. Rather, the indictment strongly appears to be based on the good faith belief that he’s guilty and his conviction would send an excellent message to other members of the dog fighting racket.


55 posted on 08/04/2007 6:24:47 AM PDT by libstripper
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To: Rottweilerson

I agree....he’s no victim.

In fact he’s quite privileged.

Shame he wasn’t raised right


56 posted on 08/04/2007 7:11:31 AM PDT by wardaddy (dirty white boy)
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Race IS a factor here: the fact is that large numbers of underclass African Americans display a high degree of tolerance for violence and other forms of social pathology. Nothing else can explain the horrendous murder rates in inner city African American communities. If people scarcely raise an eyebrow when innocent children are shot to death in gang crossfire, why would they be upset about dog fighting?


57 posted on 08/04/2007 7:22:13 AM PDT by Godwin1
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“I was surprised by the rancor I raised after only a few posts glorifying dog fighting and suggesting that it’s an important part of a dog’s life and the only humane thing to do... Only to have that outrage surpassed with I let slip that I don’t believe animals can feel pain.”

Where on earth did you get those weird ideas?

58 posted on 08/04/2007 7:30:27 AM PDT by SoCal Pubbie
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To: Altura Ct.

Vick’s best bet is to change venue to either Atlanta, Detroit or Washington, D.C. so he can find just the one juror who votes to acquit.


59 posted on 08/04/2007 7:35:21 AM PDT by N. Theknow (Kennedys: Can't drive, can't fly, can't ski, can't skipper a boat; but they know what's best for us)
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To: Altura Ct.

One can only wonder about the racial implications of Black power organizations supporting a man who is up to his eyeballs in dead dogs While turning a blind eye to Rappers who advocate violenc, dead police and black on black murder.

( I won’t mention that there is an apparent racial affinity to dogs that doesn’t extend to human babies aborted by the thousands.)


60 posted on 08/04/2007 7:40:35 AM PDT by bert (K.E. N.P. +12 . Happiness is a down sleeping bag)
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