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To: Jacquerie
The House and Senate each write their own rules.

Yes, but what happens when they break them? There has to be an objective enforcement procedure or else you'd never know if a a bill passed.

You cannot say according to the rule the vote was 215-213 but it wasn't.

Decisions (Senate deliberations for instance) have to be made in accordance to what is on record.

These House Dems made a mess for themselves and the Pubs ought to run with it in every venue they can. As far as I can see, the only solution for the Dems is to bring the bill back for another vote in accordance to what the procedures are for doing so.

I guess they can ship it to the Senate as is and try to get what they want in committee but that would give the Pubs in the Senate a chance to have some fun.

27 posted on 08/04/2007 6:05:15 AM PDT by Tribune7 (Michael Moore bought Haliburton)
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To: Tribune7

What happened in the House is abominable and illegal. It appears that the vote demonstrated that we are not living in under the rule of law, but a dictatorship of the congressional leadership. It appears that the Democrats tried to pull a fast one by gaveling the vote shut to prevent the Republicans from winning, but the vote tally changed a second before a he gavelled the meeting to a close. Thus when he closed the voting the Republicans had won, and no further vote counting was allowed. The Democrats appear to have gone through some shady dealings by erasing the computer record of the vote. It is ABSOLUTELY OUTRAGEOUS and justice needs to be given here.

However as for the enforcing of the rules of the House, only a majority of each chamber of Congress can judge the validity of its own votes or its rules for that matter. It is a feature of our constitution which guarantees the independence of each branch of government (separation of powers) from an outside entity. The bottom line is that whatever a majority of either chamber says is the LAW of the chamber is the LAW of the chamber. If a majority of Congress challenged this illegal, and egregious violation of rules and democratic process which we saw last night, then the decision of the majority overrides the decision of the chair. However, the vote is so close that the Democrats can probably strong arm enough of it majority to prevent that from happening unless there is a huge outcry from the public at large.


40 posted on 08/04/2007 4:54:46 PM PDT by old republic
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