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Drawing Fire, Judith Giuliani Gives Her Side
The New York Times ^ | August 5, 2007 | ERIC KONIGSBERG

Posted on 08/04/2007 2:04:14 PM PDT by sitetest

It has not been an easy few months for Judith Giuliani. Her rollout to the public received rocky reviews from the political class, Republicans included. A series of negative articles about her shopping habits, marital past and supposedly testy relations with campaign staff followed. Her appearances alongside her husband, Rudolph W. Giuliani, grew suddenly scarce — and some analysts suggested that she keep it that way.

So it was perhaps no surprise that at a recent lunch in downtown Manhattan, Mrs. Giuliani offered this self-assessment: “When it comes to politics, I’m new to this.”

Over the course of a two-hour interview, Mrs. Giuliani, 53, talked for the first time about how she met Mr. Giuliani and about their first date. (He asked her out, she said.)

~ snip ~

“I’m sure that’s something that can get one into, you know — ” She did not finish the thought, but allowed her hands to flutter cautiously before going on. “But I try to remain me. And again, part of that is not doing anything more than I have to in terms of making myself in any way a distraction from what my husband is trying to do for America.”

Not becoming a distraction to her husband, a front-runner for the Republican presidential nomination, appears to be an elusive goal.

~ snip ~

...she cuts a figure that Mr. Giuliani’s aides say will appeal to Republican voters. Husband and wife agree that Laura Bush is a model for Mrs. Giuliani.

But Judith carries some distinctly un-Laura baggage. Like her husband, she has been married twice before. They also had a secret affair for a year before Mr. Giuliani announced it to the world — and to his second wife, Donna Hanover — at a news conference.

(Excerpt) Read more at nytimes.com ...


TOPICS: Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: adulterer; candidatespouse; cheatingspouse; cristynelategano; donnahanover; giuliani; judigiuliani; judith; judithnathan; presidentialelection
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1 posted on 08/04/2007 2:04:27 PM PDT by sitetest
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To: sitetest; Jim Noble; Politicalmom; pissant; dirtboy; jellybean; Petronski; RobFromGa; ...

Are there any Rudy-boosters left here? Oh well, I can think of one or two, and maybe some folks who aren’t Rudy-boosters may have some interest.


2 posted on 08/04/2007 2:09:40 PM PDT by sitetest (If Roe is not overturned, no unborn child will ever be protected in law.)
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To: sitetest; Liz; Extremely Extreme Extremist; wagglebee; George W. Bush; TommyDale; narses; Spiff; ...

Ping.


3 posted on 08/04/2007 2:12:48 PM PDT by sitetest (If Roe is not overturned, no unborn child will ever be protected in law.)
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To: sitetest
If people think the Vic thing is bad, wait until it becomes general knowledge about Judy's participation in the stapling of live dogs to demonstrate tools her company was selling.

Oh I know there are many more things that will effectivly kill of Rudy's campaign, but this ones gonna be a doozy.

4 posted on 08/04/2007 2:13:56 PM PDT by Post-Neolithic (Money only makes Communists rich Communists)
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To: Post-Neolithic

Dear Post-Neolithic,

Did she actually staple the dogs that were then euthanized? The article says that she worked for a company as a salesperson, and that the company did this.

sitetest


5 posted on 08/04/2007 2:17:27 PM PDT by sitetest (If Roe is not overturned, no unborn child will ever be protected in law.)
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To: Post-Neolithic

“stapling of live dogs?”—I haven’t heard about this one. Can you elaborate?


6 posted on 08/04/2007 2:18:10 PM PDT by lilylangtree (Veni, Vidi, Vici)
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To: sitetest

I don’t care what she has to say.

I don’t want her morals and values that she shares with her husband as MY PRESIDENT.


7 posted on 08/04/2007 2:21:43 PM PDT by nmh (Intelligent people recognize Intelligent Design (God) .)
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To: lilylangtree

Both of them are for abortion so why would stapling dogs be a considered shocking?


8 posted on 08/04/2007 2:22:53 PM PDT by nmh (Intelligent people recognize Intelligent Design (God) .)
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To: nmh; sitetest

“I don’t want her morals and values that she shares with her husband as MY PRESIDENT”

That sums it up!


9 posted on 08/04/2007 2:23:44 PM PDT by stephenjohnbanker ( Hunter/Thompson/Thompson/Hunter in 08! "Read my lips....No new RINO's" !!)
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To: Post-Neolithic; sitetest

while the dog-stapling thing is bad, having her child live with her and her lover between marriages one of the more appalling aspects of her personal history, in my opinion. no matter how she tries to model herself after laura bush, she can’t lay claim to any sort of morality.


10 posted on 08/04/2007 2:23:55 PM PDT by xsmommy
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To: sitetest
While it's still up in the air as to whether or not she performed any of the stapling, she was in the room during the demonstrations to sell the device to her customers.

While I know the NY Post isn't a great source it was the first I came upon, do a search for "judy giuliani dog stapling". Here is the NYP's story(also quoted Rudy's campaign manager).

Judy's stapling link

11 posted on 08/04/2007 2:31:33 PM PDT by Post-Neolithic (Money only makes Communists rich Communists)
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To: sitetest
i don't know anything about the current Giuliani but I will never respect the former 1st Lady of NYC

DONNA HANOVER I CAN'T STAND YOU FOUL MOUTH, FOR DOING THAT FOUL PLAY!

12 posted on 08/04/2007 2:32:19 PM PDT by restornu
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To: xsmommy

Agreed, was just my way of pointing out how Rudy will lose the Conservative vote because of his liberal views, and the more liberal vote because of this dog fiasco.


13 posted on 08/04/2007 2:34:15 PM PDT by Post-Neolithic (Money only makes Communists rich Communists)
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To: sitetest
Giuliani’s wife will be one of many millstones around his neck. As far as I’m concerned, his anti-gun position was all I needed to know that I would never vote for the man under any circumstance.
14 posted on 08/04/2007 2:34:54 PM PDT by AlaskaErik (Run, Fred run! I will send my donation as soon as you announce.)
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To: Post-Neolithic

i know, there are myriad ways she will turn people off and the campaign appears to be savvy enough to know it, and that’s why she has had a relatively lowprofile to date.


15 posted on 08/04/2007 2:36:57 PM PDT by xsmommy
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To: sitetest
I don't have a dog in this fight, but this caught my eye:

"A dead dog doesn't bleed," Hirsch said in a 1988 issue of Time magazine. "You need to have real blood-flow conditions, or you get a false sense of security."

Now there is a rationalization

16 posted on 08/04/2007 2:48:15 PM PDT by Syncro
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To: sitetest

I can’t help but feel if this was about Fred’s wife it would be considered a hit piece by the NY Slimes. This is a hit piece and some of you are celebrating it?


17 posted on 08/04/2007 2:49:01 PM PDT by willk
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To: sitetest

I can’t help but feel if this was about Fred’s wife it would be considered a hit piece by the NY Slimes. This is a hit piece and some of you are celebrating it?


18 posted on 08/04/2007 2:49:14 PM PDT by willk
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To: sitetest

I can’t help but feel if this was about Fred’s wife it would be considered a hit piece by the NY Slimes. This is a hit piece and some of you are celebrating it?


19 posted on 08/04/2007 2:49:22 PM PDT by willk
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To: sitetest

Rudy Giuliani has never been noted for his association with classy women or honest men......


20 posted on 08/04/2007 2:53:58 PM PDT by river rat (Semper Fi - You may turn the other cheek, but I prefer to look into my enemy's vacant dead eyes.)
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To: willk
“I can’t help but feel if this was about Fred’s wife it would be considered a hit piece by the NY Slimes. This is a hit piece and some of you are celebrating it?”

Big difference there. This may be a hit piece but its a hit on a worthless liberal.

The sooner that turd JulieAnnie is knocked out of the race the better.

Rooty needs to go back to NY and play dress-up with his queer friends.

21 posted on 08/04/2007 3:02:45 PM PDT by Beagle8U (FreeRepublic -- One stop shopping ....... Its the Conservative Super Walmart for news .)
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To: Post-Neolithic; sitetest; lilylangtree; nmh; Syncro
Here's a more precise description of Judy Giuliani's career as a dog-stapler:

SOURCE: The 2008 Election: Giuliani's Princess Bride
By Judy Bachrach, September 2007, Vanity Fair

EXCERPT In 1974 (Judy) graduated from St. Luke's School of Nursing, in Bethlehem, Pennsylvania. At 19 she married Jeffrey Ross, a U.S. Surgical salesman six years her senior.

In short order both Rosses were working in Charlotte, North Carolina, for U.S. Surgical (now part of Tyco Healthcare), which eventually grew into a billion-dollar enterprise marketing surgical staplers.

Judi was excellent at her work, and earned $40,000 a year by the late 70s. But problems arose when animal-rights groups began investigating the way the company sold its products—problems recently pointed out by the New York press.

U.S. Surgical used dogs in demonstrations to doctors and hospitals as part of its marketing plan.

"Every salesperson at U.S. Surgical was trained for six weeks with dogs at Lincoln Hospital in the Bronx, and that was really brutal," explains a former employee. "They spent days and days with dogs, taking out the spleen or stomach or the lobe of a lung. Then if the dog started moaning or fidgeted, whoever was closest would push more sedative into him from the syringe. It was horrible. Then the dog would be killed with potassium chloride."

After training, the salespeople marketed the staplers to doctors, and, once again, in many cases large dogs were used, as they had organs comparable in size to those possessed by humans.

"After the stapling, sometimes they'd put a big clamp above and below the staple lines of the dog, and fill [the area] with lots of fluid," the ex-employee says. "It would fill up like a balloon, and the salesperson would say to the doctor, 'See—it doesn't leak!' That's how they marketed and sold the product."

(Some years ago, former C.E.O. Leon Hirsch defended the company's practice of using dogs, claiming that there was no proper substitute.)

FULL STORY HERE http://www.vanityfair.com/politics/features/2007/09/giuliani200709?printable=true&currentPage=all

22 posted on 08/04/2007 3:03:42 PM PDT by Liz (It is dangerous to be right when the government is wrong. Voltaire)
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To: sitetest
Are there any Rudy-boosters left here?

Yup.

23 posted on 08/04/2007 3:16:26 PM PDT by Jim Noble (Trails of troubles, roads of battle, paths of victory we shall walk.)
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To: sitetest; Extremely Extreme Extremist; wagglebee; George W. Bush; TommyDale; narses; Spiff
Here's another "Judy" story. While Rudy Giuliani mentions his third wife's "career" in the pharmaceutical industry, he failed to mention the dog-stapling episode. Many of his clients paying millions for consulting might be surprised to hear that Rudy's third wife is the firm's "bio-terror expert."

'CHEMICAL JUDI' A BOOST TO RUDY
By SUSAN EDELMAN, NY POST
April 29, 2007

EXCERPT Rudy Giuliani consulted his wife Judith on bioterrorism after 9/11, and considered her "an expert we rely on" at his high-powered consulting firm.......Manhattan-based business, Giuliani Partners.

......the ex-mayor spoke about Judith's role in a 2003 interview, with his bride at his side: "She gives us a lot of advice and a lot of help in areas where she's got a lot of expertise - biological and chemical," he said......."And since we do security work, that's an area of great concern - you know, another anthrax attack, a smallpox attack, chemical agents. She knows all of that."

Giuliani made the comments to worldwide syndicated interviewer Daphne Barak in taped footage seen by The Post (that never aired in the US).

Giuliani said his wife "worked in the pharmaceutical industry for years. So, she's an expert that we rely on," he said.

SOURCE http://www.nypost.com/seven/04292007/news/nationalnews/chemical_judi_a_boost_to_rudy_nationalnews_susan_edelman.htm

24 posted on 08/04/2007 3:21:44 PM PDT by Liz (It is dangerous to be right when the government is wrong. Voltaire)
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To: sitetest

Donna Hanover might have been a piece of work, but most intelligent people would get a divorce before starting an affair with someone.

This is a big flaw on his part. He’s got some amazing qualities, and it’s not just the “he’s human” thing.

I don’t think most humans cheat on their spouses. Some do, and it’s not just a character flaw, it’s hurtful of other people, like their children, not to mention their spouse.


25 posted on 08/04/2007 3:32:14 PM PDT by I_Love_My_Husband (BAY AREA CONSERVATIVES - JOIN US http://community.livejournal.com/sf_conservative/profile)
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To: I_Love_My_Husband

http://www.villagevoice.com/news/0020,barrett,14902,1.html

Rudy’s...issues with, um, women, link.


27 posted on 08/04/2007 3:41:13 PM PDT by I_Love_My_Husband (BAY AREA CONSERVATIVES - JOIN US http://community.livejournal.com/sf_conservative/profile)
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To: FiCon

I think I agree with you. Of course, I had these “moral” issues with Governor Arnie, and you know what? I’m glad I voted for the guy. He’s a great governor.

I have issues with Rudy and Judy, and the whole cheating thing. It disgusts me down to my core. But, so did the whole Arnie groping women thing, and I remember when he was doing all that stuff. It literally made me feel sick.

However, I think I would DEFINITELY vote for him over any Dem, and I’ll vote for ANY Repub over the Dem in the Pres. election.


28 posted on 08/04/2007 3:46:34 PM PDT by I_Love_My_Husband (BAY AREA CONSERVATIVES - JOIN US http://community.livejournal.com/sf_conservative/profile)
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To: sitetest

This year, the issues seem to have taken second position to the dirt about the candidates’ spouse. We’ve got the usual dirt on Bill Clinton, of course. And we’ve got the trophy wife BS about Thompson. And this BS about Guiliani’s wife.

We’ve got Edwards’ wife running around attacking Anne Coulter and making more noise than her husband.


29 posted on 08/04/2007 4:29:06 PM PDT by Brilliant
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To: Liz

“Every salesperson at U.S. Surgical was trained for six weeks with dogs at Lincoln Hospital in the Bronx, and that was really brutal,” explains a former employee. “They spent days and days with dogs, taking out the spleen or stomach or the lobe of a lung. Then if the dog started moaning or fidgeted, whoever was closest would push more sedative into him from the syringe. It was horrible. Then the dog would be killed with potassium chloride.”

http://www.vanityfair.com/politics/features/2007/09/giuliani200709?printable=true&currentPage=all

HOW AFWFUL!

No wonder she favors abortion!

People that mutilate animals eventually graduate up to humans.


30 posted on 08/04/2007 4:32:04 PM PDT by nmh (Intelligent people recognize Intelligent Design (God) .)
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To: willk

I agree.


31 posted on 08/04/2007 4:39:54 PM PDT by RobbyS ( CHIRHO)
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To: willk

I agree.


32 posted on 08/04/2007 4:40:07 PM PDT by RobbyS ( CHIRHO)
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To: xsmommy

Dear xsmommy,

You make a good point that is missed or ignored by many.

sitetest


33 posted on 08/04/2007 4:43:20 PM PDT by sitetest (If Roe is not overturned, no unborn child will ever be protected in law.)
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To: Post-Neolithic

Thanks.


34 posted on 08/04/2007 4:43:47 PM PDT by sitetest (If Roe is not overturned, no unborn child will ever be protected in law.)
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To: Syncro

“I don’t have a dog in this fight, but this caught my eye:”

LOL!


35 posted on 08/04/2007 4:44:31 PM PDT by sitetest (If Roe is not overturned, no unborn child will ever be protected in law.)
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To: FiCon

Thanks for your informative post.

I’m one of the few Rudy supporters who lurks around here. He has the strength that I’m looking for. Got miracles done in NY. He’s the only real pit bull in the fight, plus he is eloquent about terrorism and conservative fiscal issues.

Hey look, abortion will never be banned until the Taliban takes over. I don’t think the evangelicals will be stupid enough to stay home because Rudy has gay friends.


36 posted on 08/04/2007 4:45:11 PM PDT by bukkdems (Saudi Arabis MUST export jihadis to have a stable society, because of polygamy.)
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To: willk
I can’t help but feel if this was about Fred’s wife it would be considered a hit piece by the NY Slimes. This is a hit piece and some of you are celebrating it?

I'm not celebrating it at all even though I'm firmly in Fred's camp. As a matter of fact, my first thought was, "I wonder how many hit pieces the NYT has done on dem spouses?" I think we all know the answer to that.

37 posted on 08/04/2007 4:45:11 PM PDT by jellybean (http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/keyword?k=dailyfread Proud Ann-droid and a Steyn-aholic)
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To: sitetest

Hay some one got it...

: >)


38 posted on 08/04/2007 4:48:19 PM PDT by Syncro
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To: Brilliant
Dear Brilliant,

Frankly, I think that the harm to Mrs. Giuliani III was done earlier in the year. This article doesn’t appear to me to be a hit-piece at all, but rather an attempt at rehabilitation.

It doesn’t surprise me that the pro-abort, pro-death, anti-gun, anti-human New York Times would try to rehabilitate the Republican presidential candidacy of the pro-abort, pro-death, anti-gun, anti-human Mr. Giuliani.


sitetest

39 posted on 08/04/2007 4:50:13 PM PDT by sitetest (If Roe is not overturned, no unborn child will ever be protected in law.)
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To: Liz

“Some years ago, former C.E.O. Leon Hirsch defended the company’s practice of using dogs, claiming that there was no proper substitute.”

Why do “politicians” suddenly come to mind as a proper substitute? ;)


40 posted on 08/04/2007 4:50:47 PM PDT by Diana in Wisconsin (Save The Earth. It's The Only Planet With Chocolate.)
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To: nmh
HOW AWFUL! No wonder she favors abortion! People that mutilate animals eventually graduate up to humans.

So true. Histories of infamous serial killers found they engaged in animal torture and mutilation as youngsters.

41 posted on 08/04/2007 4:55:21 PM PDT by Liz (It is dangerous to be right when the government is wrong. Voltaire)
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To: Diana in Wisconsin
Why do “politicians” suddenly come to mind as a proper substitute?

LOL-----sounds OK to me.

42 posted on 08/04/2007 4:58:59 PM PDT by Liz (It is dangerous to be right when the government is wrong. Voltaire)
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To: Jim Noble
Dear Jim Noble,

I knew you were still around, and a Rudy-booster. If you know any others, could you ping them?

Thanks,


sitetest

43 posted on 08/04/2007 5:00:29 PM PDT by sitetest (If Roe is not overturned, no unborn child will ever be protected in law.)
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To: sitetest
she cuts a figure that Mr. Giuliani’s aides say will appeal to Republican voters.

LOL

44 posted on 08/04/2007 5:01:38 PM PDT by Graymatter ( Number 1 job real Americans won't do: holler for bread & circuses.)
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To: sitetest

All the ones I know are gone.


45 posted on 08/04/2007 5:46:32 PM PDT by Jim Noble (Trails of troubles, roads of battle, paths of victory we shall walk.)
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To: sitetest

She is not Laura Bush and never will be remotely close. Her baggage is already out there. And she still decided it was alright to date a married man, no matter how bad the marriage was.

We don’t need anymore baggage to be reminded of like we had with the Clintons.


46 posted on 08/04/2007 6:12:00 PM PDT by freekitty
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To: bukkdems
Hey look, abortion will never be banned until the Taliban takes over.

I have come to pray that Rudy will get the nomination because his loss will destroy the GOP coalition, and I'm quite sure plenty of other pro-lifers wouldn't want to be in the same party with people like you.

47 posted on 08/04/2007 6:15:14 PM PDT by madprof98 ("moritur et ridet" - salvianus)
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To: nmh

Forgive my ignorance but what is “stapling of dogs” like neutering or spaying or like stomach stapling?


48 posted on 08/04/2007 6:21:17 PM PDT by lilylangtree (Veni, Vidi, Vici)
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To: Liz

Good God! So that’s what “stapling” means. I’m appalled!


49 posted on 08/04/2007 6:24:21 PM PDT by lilylangtree (Veni, Vidi, Vici)
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To: lilylangtree

It’s abuse ... I don’t want to explain it.


50 posted on 08/04/2007 6:25:27 PM PDT by nmh (Intelligent people recognize Intelligent Design (God) .)
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