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Putin aide: 'Miliband's hatred for Russia runs in family'
dailymail.co.uk ^ | 4th August 2007 | JASON LEWIS

Posted on 08/04/2007 5:09:54 PM PDT by Tailgunner Joe

A key adviser to President Vladimir Putin accused Foreign Secretary David Miliband of 'anti-Russian racism' over his handling of the Alexander Litvinenko affair.

It was claimed Mr Miliband let his personal views cloud his judgment in the recent tit-for-tat diplomat expulsion row over the murder of ex-KGB operative Litvinenko.

Last month the Foreign Secretary expelled Russian diplomats from Britain after the Kremlin refused to sanction the extradition of the prime suspect in the murder case.

President Putin responded by throwing out several British Embassy officials and banning visas for other UK diplomats.

Now Russian political analyst Gleb Pavlovsky, who is close to the Russian President, has claimed Mr Miliband inherited anti-Russian sentiments from his family.

The comments were last night being viewed as a sign of Moscow's bitterness towards Britain over the Litvinenko affair and the UK Government's refusal to extradite tycoon Boris Berezovsky to Moscow.

The attack came in Russian nationalist newspaper Tvoi Den. Mr Pavlovsky said: "David Miliband's hatred for Russia was inherited from his grandfather."

The newspaper said that in the Twenties the Foreign Secretary's grandfather, Samuel, then Shimon, Miliband, a native of the Jewish ghetto in Warsaw, had fought under the command of Trotsky 'eliminating' white Russians opposed to Communism.

He later came to England with his son Ralph, who became a Marxist academic, and whose sons David and Ed now serve in the Cabinet.

"David absorbed anti-Sovietism, as the saying goes, with his mother's milk," said Mr Pavlovsky.

On May 22, 2007, British officials charged Andrei Lugovoi, a former KGB official, with Litvinenko's murder, announcing they would seek his extradition from Russia.

But a Russian official stated it was against the Russian constitution to perform extraditions of its citizens. Lugovoi denies any involvement.


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; Russia; United Kingdom
KEYWORDS: gasputin; glebpavlovsky; litvinenko; russia; votebolshevik
If Miliband hates Russians because his grandfather was a communist, then what does that say about Vladimir Putin, who dedicated his entire life enslaving his own Russian people to Soviet Communism as a loyal KGB thug?

Putin's loyalty to the EVIL EMPIRE that exterminated his own people never swerved. He never betrayed the communist cause and he considers those who did to be traitors even to this day! Traitors to what? The Soviet Communism he still believes in?!

Why does Putin refuse to remove the hideous corpse of Vladimir "Lenin" Ulyanov from Red Square? Why did he personally intervene to prevent the removal of the Hammer and Sickle from the ceremonial Russian flag? Why does he glorify Lenin's "Cheka," the forerunner of the KGB?

Vladimir Putin's father was a Soviet NKVD agent. If anyone was suckled on hatred for the Russian people, it is the Chekist Putin himself, the true traitor to his own.

1 posted on 08/04/2007 5:09:58 PM PDT by Tailgunner Joe
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To: Tailgunner Joe
Gleb Pavlovsky’s comments make no sense. Based on ancestry, Miliband if anything would be pro-Soviet, not anti-Soviet.

Someone’s already drunk his entire vodka ration for the nest week.

Vlad, you might want to send this guy to the clinic to dry out.

2 posted on 08/04/2007 5:55:28 PM PDT by Cheburashka (Do you know what they do to puppets in prison?)
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To: Tailgunner Joe
You don't know much about Anatoly Sobchak, do you?

What's your beef with Russia, 'phobe?

Are you one of these Eastern European offspring with an axe to grind? The Scots Regiments said the Soviets did the most to win WWII. I am of Scots heritage. Who the Hell are you to be badmouthing the Russians with every bit of yellow journalism you can put your hands on?
3 posted on 08/04/2007 6:52:41 PM PDT by JohnA
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To: Tailgunner Joe; DAVEY CROCKETT; milford421; FARS; Founding Father; Calpernia; Velveeta; ...

Ping.


4 posted on 08/05/2007 5:58:20 AM PDT by nw_arizona_granny ( Today is a good day for working on some heavy praying. The world needs God to hear them.)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

The newspaper said that in the Twenties the Foreign Secretary’s grandfather, Samuel, then Shimon, Miliband, a native of the Jewish ghetto in Warsaw, had fought under the command of Trotsky ‘eliminating’ white Russians opposed to Communism. ==

It is the usual story. During Civil war 1917-22 may international commies had anti-Russian hatred just because teh Russians fought against them.


5 posted on 08/06/2007 1:36:12 AM PDT by RusIvan (It is amazing how easily those dupes swallow the supidiest russophobic fairy tales:))))
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To: Cheburashka

Based on ancestry, Miliband if anything would be pro-Soviet, not anti-Soviet.==

He is to be pro-Soviet and anti-Russian.


6 posted on 08/06/2007 1:37:21 AM PDT by RusIvan (It is amazing how easily those dupes swallow the supidiest russophobic fairy tales:))))
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To: Tailgunner Joe

Vladimir Putin’s father was a Soviet NKVD agent.==

Yeah? Got the prove?


7 posted on 08/06/2007 1:38:17 AM PDT by RusIvan (It is amazing how easily those dupes swallow the supidiest russophobic fairy tales:))))
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To: JohnA

“the Soviets did the most to win WWII”

yeah, like starting it hand in hand with Nazis...

*sigh*


8 posted on 08/06/2007 2:16:46 AM PDT by Verdelet (Poland existed long before it's neighbours did... it will last long after it's neighbours cease...)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

You’re going to get the pro Commies around here riled up!


9 posted on 08/06/2007 2:23:10 AM PDT by caver (Yes, I did crawl out of a hole in the ground.)
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To: Verdelet

It’s no secret that post-Versailles, Germany had a tough time finding ways and means to get their economy up and running again. It’s widely accepted that Versailles was a dumb treaty
which led to WWII.


10 posted on 08/06/2007 5:02:24 AM PDT by JohnA
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To: caver

Did you think Russia is communist? If so, your posting credibility is at stake here.


11 posted on 08/06/2007 5:04:44 AM PDT by JohnA
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To: JohnA

“Did you think Russia is communist?”

The Russian government was communist. The problem is that there are still plenty of communists left over from the Soviet days.


12 posted on 08/06/2007 5:09:49 AM PDT by caver (Yes, I did crawl out of a hole in the ground.)
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To: caver

I guess so if you say so.


13 posted on 08/06/2007 5:18:49 AM PDT by JohnA
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To: JohnA

‘I am of Scots heritage’

De ye belong tae Glasgow ?

You must visit Scotland . I had som fantastic holidays there in my youth.

Regarding the present British - Russian barney, there is another factor that the media over here seldom mentions.
Since the late 1990s the Labour Govt granted asylum to several Chechian ‘separatists’, one is Ahmed Dasuev, can’t remember the others. These induviduals are nasty baskets who are believed to have tortured and beheaded civilians suspected of siding with Russia. They are championed by Amnesty International and the way many actors and writers speak about them, you would think that a messiah has arrived here ! The BBC consistently describes the ‘Russian occupation ‘of Chechnia and one correspondent compared the Chechian terrorists with the French Resistance in WW2.
Understandably the Russians are hacked off about this, the UK is supposed to be fighting a war against international terrorism yet we are sheltering these creatures.
As I understand it, this may be at the root of Moscow’s present attitude.
Where is Chechnia anyway ? Is it true that they are of the Moslem loony faith ?


14 posted on 08/06/2007 5:43:36 AM PDT by jabbermog
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To: jabbermog
Thanks for the post. I hope a lot of people read this, mindful of the fact that print attacks on the Russian Federation in the US on account of Chechnya have all but dried up. It would be useful for Americans wanting to know where they get the best advice on Russia policy to revisit writing done over the period before international terrorist groups operating there were named by the US State Dept and the British foreign office. I would not be taking Russia-policy opinion and advice from those Americans. There are some familiar US political names among them who ought now to be thoroughly discredited on pretty well anything they say about Russia.

I want to revisit other elements of your post but for now, this has to be it.
15 posted on 08/06/2007 6:13:59 AM PDT by JohnA
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To: JohnA

Still, this does not explain the fact of war being started by TWO totalitarian regimes.

I guess I’m one of these Eastern European offspring with an axe to grind which does not believe in a ways of war.
I also do not believe in pure intentions of communist helping topple Nazis. Freeing people from concentration camps?
Not really, just placing them elsewhere with changed names.


16 posted on 08/06/2007 7:23:29 AM PDT by Verdelet (Poland existed long before it's neighbours did... it will last long after it's neighbours cease...)
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To: JohnA

It’s none of your damn business who I am, Putinista. All you need to know is that I’m an American, unlike yourself.


17 posted on 08/06/2007 11:49:59 AM PDT by Tailgunner Joe
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To: Cheburashka

They’re trying to say that the Bolsheviks were all jews who hated Russians. They excuse Putin’s own Bolshevism, though, as well as his continued adulation of the EVIL EMPIRE. Putin has not even shown the slightest regret for his unswerving loyalty to bolshevism. He considers those who betrayed the Bolshevik evil as traitors to Russia itself. Clearly the two things are one and the same in Putin’s diseased mind.


18 posted on 08/06/2007 11:54:16 AM PDT by Tailgunner Joe
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To: Tailgunner Joe
It is funny to watch how the Putinistas get disturbed every time you turn a stone with one of your article links.
19 posted on 08/06/2007 12:36:21 PM PDT by vader69
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To: Tailgunner Joe

20 posted on 08/06/2007 12:40:39 PM PDT by TChris (The Republican Party is merely the Democrat Party's "away" jersey - Vox Day)
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To: TChris

I don’t think it’s safe to drink.


21 posted on 08/06/2007 12:43:13 PM PDT by vader69
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To: Tailgunner Joe
You're just taking a personal hissy fit because Putin's grabbing some well-deserved attention lately. It's not my sense that Putin-bashing has very broad appeal here, as much as you'd like to think you can change all that.

Fill yer boots.


22 posted on 08/06/2007 8:54:27 PM PDT by JohnA
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To: jabbermog
The Scots I came from were British North American servicemen, During the American Revolutionary War, the family split. Some came north to what became Canada and the rest stayed in what became the US.

The US has largely stayed out of the Russia-UK spy spat and other assorted grievances including the Chechnya terrorist protection racket the poms are running.

The Russians recently told the Great Game Loser-nation to shed the colonialist mentality and get on with business.I'd love to visit Scotland. I don't know enough about the family before the arrival.
23 posted on 08/06/2007 9:03:23 PM PDT by JohnA
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To: JohnA; Tailgunner Joe
JohnA, thanks for the link to Anatoly Sobchak, maybe you can enlighten me about his “timely” death together with two of his aides that had heart attacks simultaneously?

http://www.ds.ru/arch/a2000/041200n.htm

24 posted on 08/07/2007 3:44:50 AM PDT by AdmSmith
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To: AdmSmith
There was no suggestion of foul play in the death of the reformer from St Petersburg, a city that has become known as the "mafia capital" of Russia. It was a second heart attack, to silence those who accused Sobchak of feigning heart disease to escape corruption charges.

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_qn4158/is_20000221/ai_n14291432

From The Independent: a newspaper you can believe. Will that be all or will you be introducing more such topics?
25 posted on 08/07/2007 4:20:15 AM PDT by JohnA
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To: JohnA
Yes, they are mostly correct, however the obituary was posted the day after his death and later, on April 12th it was obviously suggestions of foul play. Read the link in my previous post.
26 posted on 08/07/2007 5:05:09 AM PDT by AdmSmith
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To: AdmSmith
Putin is a sober man. It was duly noted on Sobchak's death that his funeral was the only place anybody has ever seen Putin shed a tear.

Are you one of those Bush hard liners Wm Pfaff is talking about?
27 posted on 08/07/2007 5:11:07 AM PDT by JohnA
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To: AdmSmith
And if you are one of the Bush hard liners on Russia Wm Pfaff is talking about - people who simply refuse to deal with the Russia that is rather than the Russia they want to make over - please tell me how it is that US investment in Russia continues to go up. Seems to me that if you are a hard-liner-winner, you'd be stopping/rolling back this sort of activity. Instead, it's on the increase. So is Russian investment in the US economy.
28 posted on 08/07/2007 5:17:38 AM PDT by JohnA
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To: AdmSmith
Or are you doomed to a future of Russian-rock-turning-over until you find something you can really get your teeth into. And then if you found something you could really get your teeth into, what would you do with it when you found it.

Listen, chum. Sobchak died those many years ago. Why not let the poor man alone in his grave? If something was to have been made of it, you'd find more than a 200 wd Cyrillic clip in a US chatboard and results would have been obtained by now.

Hard liners: They are like dogs with bones. The dogs bark, the caravan pases by.
29 posted on 08/07/2007 5:22:59 AM PDT by JohnA
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To: JohnA
It was duly noted on Sobchak’s death that his funeral was the only place anybody has ever seen Putin shed a tear.

Are you really saying that Gazputin can’t show empathy, except once? I do not think that he is a psychopath, but he is an authoritarian soon-to-become dictator.

30 posted on 08/07/2007 5:30:18 AM PDT by AdmSmith
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To: AdmSmith

That’s not the way he or Russia tell it. That’s not the way Solzhenitsyn sees it going. Stop meddling and barking at the sidelines and deal with the Russia that is rather than the Russia you want it to be,seeing Putin-as-Lightening-Rod for all your messianic lightening strikes. Be realistic, like Henry Kissinger.


31 posted on 08/07/2007 5:43:31 AM PDT by JohnA
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To: AdmSmith
No. What I am really saying is that Putin's history with the municipal government of St Petersburg was this:

The city was starving. Sobchak and Putin worked day and night to trade off precious metals etc...anything they could get their hands on to trade for food for the populous. They got the job done. Investigations went deep into Putin's work when he became President for St Pete's profiteering and corruption and found nothing, nada, zilch. The investigations were, according to those who launched them - exhaustive. Hence, Sobchak is Putin's hero. And that is why he openly wept.
32 posted on 08/07/2007 6:25:35 PM PDT by JohnA
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