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Russia Could Re-establish Naval Base in Syria
Arutz Sheva ^ | 21 Av 5767, August 5, '07 | IsraelNN.com

Posted on 08/04/2007 6:50:45 PM PDT by F15Eagle

(IsraelNN.com) Russia is seeking to establish a naval base in the Middle East – most likely in Syria, experts said. "For the Black Sea fleet, the Mediterranean has the highest strategic importance," the RIA Novosti and Interfax news agency quoted Admiral Vladimir Masorin as saying in the Ukrainian port city of Sevastopol. "I think a permanent presence of the Russian navy should be restored there using the forces of the North and Baltic fleets."

During the Cold War, the Soviet navy had a permanent presence on the Mediterranean, using the Syrian port of Tartus as a supply point. Russia recently denied that it had refurbished the former site and said that it had not stationed any men or vessels at Tartus.


TOPICS: Front Page News; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: bible; damascus; geopolitics; israel; jews; pootypoot; prophecy; psalm83; putin; russia; syria
Probably just a coincidence, much like arming Iran with sophisticated SAM's while they march towards nuclear weapons to wipe Israel off the face of the Earth.
1 posted on 08/04/2007 6:50:50 PM PDT by F15Eagle
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To: Alouette; Salem; SJackson; Cindy; Travis McGee; blam; Jeff Head; struwwelpeter

fyi


2 posted on 08/04/2007 6:51:38 PM PDT by F15Eagle (1Tim 1:4; Gal 1:6-10; 1Cor 2:2; Matthew 22:30; Mark 12:25; Luke 20:34-35; 2Thess 2:11; Jude 1:3)
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To: F15Eagle
Coincidence....No such thing when dealing with our "allies" ENEMIES.
3 posted on 08/04/2007 6:53:45 PM PDT by RasterMaster (Rudy McRomneyson = KENNEDY wing of the Republican Party)
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To: F15Eagle
Russian Paranoia, Its still there.
4 posted on 08/04/2007 6:54:01 PM PDT by Bringbackthedraft
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To: F15Eagle

The ugly had of communism reaches out again.


5 posted on 08/04/2007 6:54:25 PM PDT by doc1019 (Fred Thompson '08)
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To: doc1019

Had = hand.


6 posted on 08/04/2007 6:55:26 PM PDT by doc1019 (Fred Thompson '08)
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To: doc1019

Head?


7 posted on 08/04/2007 6:55:26 PM PDT by mgstarr (KZ-6090 Smith W.)
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To: mgstarr

Oops!


8 posted on 08/04/2007 6:56:26 PM PDT by doc1019 (Fred Thompson '08)
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To: F15Eagle

Well anybody who expects Russia to help “democratize” the world is someone I want to talk to,because I’ve got ocean front property in Arizona for sale at a good price !!!


9 posted on 08/04/2007 6:56:51 PM PDT by Obie Wan
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To: Bringbackthedraft

I really don’t consider Russia anything more than bombast.


10 posted on 08/04/2007 6:57:36 PM PDT by mgstarr (KZ-6090 Smith W.)
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To: F15Eagle

Putin is turning into a real imperialist. Unfortunately, this word is only used to attack the USA.


11 posted on 08/04/2007 6:58:13 PM PDT by ozzymandus
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To: F15Eagle

It would be in Israel’s best interest to render that base useless the moment it appears that attack is imminent. Before the Russians move in, for sure.


12 posted on 08/04/2007 6:59:58 PM PDT by JimRed ("Hey, hey, Teddy K., how many girls did you drown today?" TERM LIMITS, NOW!)
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To: F15Eagle
Russia is trying to be a power on the world stage (again). To do that, you need several things -- two of which are: a strong economy, and good demographics. The demographics for Russia are miserable (falling national population, and falling life expectancy) and as far as the economy goes, Russia is enjoying good income from high oil prices. But they don't have much more than that, and there's no guarantee that it will continue.

I'd say Russia is biting off far more than it can chew (again).

13 posted on 08/04/2007 7:02:31 PM PDT by ClearCase_guy (The broken wall, the burning roof and tower. And Agammemnon dead.)
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To: F15Eagle

Even in Russia’s heyday, reports had it that locals didn’t like Russian bases. Unlike Western forces they put next to no money into the local economy. One story from just before the fall of communism ( late 80s ) had the Vietnamese reaction to Russians based at Cam Ranh Bay. The locals said that the Russians didn’t pay for anything and they hoped Americans would come back instead.


14 posted on 08/04/2007 7:05:03 PM PDT by Hillarys Gate Cult (The man who said "there's no such thing as a stupid question" has never talked to Helen Thomas.)
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To: ClearCase_guy

But without another Reagan … who knows.


15 posted on 08/04/2007 7:06:49 PM PDT by doc1019 (Fred Thompson '08)
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To: F15Eagle
So what if they do.

In the 80’s, the Russians had an anchorage off Libya and while we ran back and forth across the MED for 6 months, the Russian ships never left that anchorage. Not once.

If you don’t train, underway, you can’t fight, effectively.

Around 1990, A Sovremeny DDG and a Slava CG visited Norfolk Naval Base. These were among their latest ships.

Missile doors were painted shut, caked with paint. Their damage control systems were almost nonexistent. There was very little compartmentability. Combat systems, in general, were clearly not maintained properly.

If the Russians truly wish to have an effective naval presence, they have a long way to go.

16 posted on 08/04/2007 7:10:47 PM PDT by ryan71 (You can hear it on the coconut telegraph...)
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To: JimRed
Really?

The Tourism Ministry has found support from a likely source - the Incoming Tour Operator Association - in its ongoing efforts to cancel the visa requirement for visitors arriving in Israel from Russia. The ITOA issued its own press release last week calling on the Foreign, Justice and Public Security Ministries to back the Tourism Ministry's latest proposal on the issue, which seeks to increase Israel's share of the four million former Soviets traveling to the Middle East each year.

You really think you're on the same page as Israel, don't you?
17 posted on 08/04/2007 7:20:49 PM PDT by JohnA
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To: ryan71

That was 1990.

Also, the Russians then were heavily into deception ops, many of which we bought, some of which we didn’t. Such as, sending the same ships out of various ports with different names and numbers etc. Rigging entire phony airbases with dummy planes, to be seen by our sats. Etc.


18 posted on 08/04/2007 7:21:05 PM PDT by Travis McGee (--- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com ---)
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To: ryan71
I agree. In the past 60 years, our ground troops have done a fair bit of work and done very well. There's no question that we have little competition on the ground (maybe the Brits -- but we aren't going to fight them).

Also, over the past 60 years, in the air, our planes have done a fair bit of work and done very well. There's no question that we have little competition in the air (maybe the Brits, maybe Israel -- but we aren't going to fight either of them).

But to the subject: in the past 60 years, naval combat has been almost non-existent. I don't think many people realize how utterly dominant the US is in this arena. People haven't seen what we can do. China may be foolish enough to challenge us at some point (they're building rapidly), but Russia hasn't got a prayer. They sink their own subs, for goodness sake!

19 posted on 08/04/2007 7:21:14 PM PDT by ClearCase_guy (The broken wall, the burning roof and tower. And Agammemnon dead.)
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To: Hillarys Gate Cult

That was then. This is now. Russian’s aren’t traveling broke these days.


20 posted on 08/04/2007 7:24:18 PM PDT by Travis McGee (--- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com ---)
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To: ClearCase_guy
I wouldn't be too quick to dissmiss Putin's ambitions in the ME. He's aligning himself with a rising wanna be ME controlling power (Iran). This has some obvious benefits, Like a partnership in the control of all the ME oil. Is it any wonder Putin is arming Iran to the teeth? It's not the USA they have to conquer, hell, democrats will take care of destroying the US presence in the ME. All Iran has to do is conquer the Saudi family, and a few other tiny places like the emirates.
Don't forget Turkey and Iran are pretty chummy these days as well, and will become even more so with their new, more radical Islamic government. What you are witnessing is the rise of a new Persian empire, a confederation of surrounding nations. With the Democrats willing to hand Iraq over to Iraq, kiss any american pressence in the ME goodbye, as well as Israel.
21 posted on 08/04/2007 8:51:54 PM PDT by Nathan Zachary
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To: F15Eagle

Putin has also talked about opening bases (Both naval and army/airforce) in Cuba and Venezuela.


22 posted on 08/04/2007 10:16:49 PM PDT by Thunder90
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To: Travis McGee

Had the Soviets been sitting on the pile of cash that is in Russia today, the USSR would never have collapsed (The first time)


23 posted on 08/04/2007 10:19:49 PM PDT by Thunder90
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To: JohnA

I’m puzzled. What has Russian tourism to Israel to do with eliminating a naval base which could be used by any number of enemies to strike at Israel?

I meant that they need to do it BEFORE the Russians establish a presence there, so Russians don’t get killed in the process. That leaves no excuse for Russia to join in the attack on Israel.


24 posted on 08/05/2007 7:07:21 AM PDT by JimRed ("Hey, hey, Teddy K., how many girls did you drown today?" TERM LIMITS, NOW!)
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To: Thunder90

Had Lenin slipped on a banana peel at the Helsinki Station, Kerensky might have...

Sigh. Oh well.


25 posted on 08/05/2007 8:08:53 AM PDT by Travis McGee (--- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com ---)
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To: JimRed
"It would be in Israel’s best interest to render that base useless the moment it appears that attack is imminent. Before the Russians move in, for sure."

What is in Israel's best interest is the same as America's which is removing Russia's terrorist exporting proxies in the Mid-East. Iran and Syria are at the top of the removal list. Since Moscow arms our enemies around the globe, guess what that makes Putin and his KGB thugs?

26 posted on 08/05/2007 4:07:44 PM PDT by M. Espinola (Freedom is never free)
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To: F15Eagle

I’ve seen this coming for quite awhile now : the predator always goes for the youngest, oldest, weakest member of the caribou herd. Thus the russians and/or chinese are going to try to take over gaza, lebanon, syria, iran as new “colonies”. Putin is trying to bring back the old USSR empire, thus the planting of the russian flag on the arctic seabed, jacking up oil prices, now this russian seabase in syria. Reagan knew how to stand up to the russian thugs, too bad our current president can’t, he’s in the hip pocket of the globalists as we see in this sea treaty that gives the oceans of the world to the UN, in order to appease all these pisant dictators like putin.


27 posted on 08/05/2007 5:31:20 PM PDT by timer (n/0=n=nx0)
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To: F15Eagle

Ah. The plot thickens.


28 posted on 08/05/2007 7:02:06 PM PDT by festus (I'm a fRedneck and proud of it.)
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To: JimRed

If Russia and Israel were enemies, (which they are not) do you sincerely believe Israel would be out there beating the bushes for Russian tourists?


29 posted on 08/05/2007 9:14:02 PM PDT by JohnA
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To: JohnA
If Russia and Israel were enemies, (which they are not) do you sincerely believe Israel would be out there beating the bushes for Russian tourists?

The generation I came up in (except for the long haired, maggot infested, dope smokin' red diaper doper babies) will never fully trust the Russians, just as my father's generation never trusted Japs or Germans. A knife in Israel's back from Russia would not be a big surprise!

30 posted on 08/06/2007 8:36:37 AM PDT by JimRed ("Hey, hey, Teddy K., how many girls did you drown today?" TERM LIMITS, NOW!)
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To: JimRed; JohnA
Russian Fleet Worries Israel - The major Israeli newspaper Yediot Ahronot reported yesterday that Israeli intelligence holds that the presence of Russian ships in Syria is a direct threat to Israel’s security. In particular, the bases in Tartus and Latakia will turn into centers of electronic surveillance that will be able to monitor not only Israel, but the entire Middle East. There is also concern in Israel that Russia will share that information with its Muslim partners, especially Syria and possibly Iran. In addition, Russia will certainly create a major air defense system to defend its bases that will be able to defend much of Syria from attack as well.
Israel should worry, especially after KGB Putin deployed 2 battalions of mohammedan Chechen "former rebels" to Lebanon to help Hizballah wage jihad against Israel.
32 posted on 08/06/2007 3:25:14 PM PDT by Tailgunner Joe
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To: F15Eagle
Weapons deals - a primer from Der Spiegel
33 posted on 08/06/2007 8:46:03 PM PDT by JohnA
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To: Tailgunner Joe

good catch


34 posted on 08/06/2007 9:54:33 PM PDT by F15Eagle (1Tim 1:4; Gal 1:6-10; 1Cor 2:2; Matthew 22:30; Mark 12:25; Luke 20:34-35; 2Thess 2:11; Jude 1:3)
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