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To: DoughtyOne
Look at Vietnam and Cambodia for an example of what it would probably devolve into.

And what tremendously negative effect did those outcomes have on the U.S.? They were intent on slaughtering each other, we sacrificed over 50,000 people to keep them from doing it, and it still happened. Our nation was largely unaffected by it.

I do think they are capable of seeing nations like Japan, Germany, France, the Philipines and other places where we’ve been and the societies the better for it after a period of reduced self-rule.

Those are all cultures that are not enslaved by Islam. Iraq doesn't have that advantage. We definitely can't change that.

Ultimately, I have to say that I still thik the Iraqi citizens want us to remain until the situation stabalizes.

Meaning a totally open-ended commitment to this dump. Did you know their police and soldiers get a week of leave for every two weeks of work? You should have seen the amazing turnout of IA and IP forces for when the Iraqi soccer team came back from winning the Asian Cup. I've never seen so many Iraqi forces anywhere for anything. Did you know a police Lt. Col. in Mosul said that "it's not my fault that American Soldiers are on their 2nd or 3rd tour. I would tell their families they have to stay until Iraq is secure and free." Security is a low priority for these people, as long as we're here to do it for them.

Terrorist governance consolidated in Iraq would turn the whole region into one massive dark ages, our citizens as their focus.

True terrorism (in the sense of what we're trying to fight for OUR country) is rapidly losing the war, and their influence is all but gone--fear and intimidation is all they have left. Everything else here is sectarian. Sectarian and fighting against the infidel foreign occupiers. So the Sunnis win and the Saudis control them, or the Shi'ites win and Iran has their way. Neither Saudi or Iran are good for us (we just like to pretend and make nice with SA).

The bottom line is, I would really like to know there is a very good reason my Soldiers and I are putting our lives on the line every day, that there is a good reason for the six Soldiers in my battalion who were recently killed in two separate attacks (one by Shi'ites, one by Sunnis). There has to be a reason for all of it, and all we can see is that we're trying to do the IA and IP's jobs for them, sacrificing our lives (at home with our families on deployments or WIA with lost limbs or flat out KIA). These people aren't worth it.

46 posted on 08/09/2007 8:31:03 PM PDT by Future Snake Eater (Mosul, Baghdad, Karbala, Najaf, Sadr City...'round and 'round we go...)
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To: Future Snake Eater

I will respond to this in the next day or so. Thanks.


47 posted on 08/09/2007 8:49:24 PM PDT by DoughtyOne
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To: Future Snake Eater

What reasons does the Military Chain of Command state for not attacking Iran.

I can’t stand the fact that Bush hasn’t lifted a stinking finger against Iran while the kill our troops. Worse than Nam, at least then we bombed the enemy sanctuaries!


48 posted on 08/10/2007 5:18:54 PM PDT by TomasUSMC ( FIGHT LIKE WW2, FINISH LIKE WW2. FIGHT LIKE NAM, FINISH LIKE NAM)
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