Posted on 08/05/2007 7:51:43 PM PDT by Jim Robinson
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..an interesting idea - but what makes us certain that such a move would make the senate more (not less) responsive to the public will? What happens if it just turns them into more dedicated liberals/globalists?
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We need more than that. We need a voters’ bill of rights starting with runoff elections to guarantee minimally that nobody need ever fear to vote his first choice at least on a first ballot, and nobody ever holds any elective office with less than 50% of the vote. We need absolute ironclad guarantees against voter fraud which to me says there has to ultimately be a way to connect a name to every vote ever cast, and we need a none-of-above option on every election in the land. And, if that none-of-above option ever wins, the other candidates should be barred for life from running for any public office, and the parties sponsoring them should be barred for 20 years from running candidates for that particular office. The penalty for running dead wood for public office should be huge.
Wow this blows my mind. There’s some heavy stuff being brought up here.On the one hand do we let government “State Legislatures” choose more government “US Senate” or do we decide for ourselves who represents us? It’s not an easy question to get a handle on !!!
Jim, you have hit the mail squarely on the head! Somewhere in the past couple of years I came to the same realization....
When I Firefox/Googled the web site it came up as a bad address.
The 17th Amendment debacle is, indeed, a major source of our present political disaster. Add in the infamous “Executive Order”, pioneered by TR and you have a situation which the FR community, and lots of others, will be busy trying to correct for quite a while.
Staffers have way too much power.
I agree with the facts here, and the goals, but wonder how it would work out in some states.
In my state, the dems manage to cover up all their scandals.
Independent news agencies get squashed very quickly.
Election fraud, FBI investigations of legislators, and endless dirty politics are kept out of the papers, or spun into Republican witch hunts. Votes are ignored when they don’t like the outcome, and all kinds of ingenious rules are discovered to make undesirable votes go away. There is alot of corruption.
I don’t trust the dem machine here with choosing senators. I am not saying the 17th amendment shouldn’t be revoked, but I do see my senators occasionally now. I can’t imagine all the backroom deals that might go on here as they negotiate who to send to DC.
I have been saying for years that the 17th Amendment was when and where it all started going to hell in a hand basket.
This is the first I’ve heard of ROAR, how long have they been around?
I keep saying its not gun control or abortion or even illegals that are the top issues, its the tyranty of our own government.
Until we get rid of the tyranty nothing else really matters in the long run.
John
Excellent. This state is hopelessly blue, but there’s hope for others.
As Jim says, we already have a representative in the House. The purpose of the legislative elected Senate was to make the senators beholden to the States and not special interests. As he said, can you call your senator and get him on the phone? The newspapers and television stations can and the lobbyists with big bucks can.
If the senators were not beholden to the public, they would not be swayed by public opinion. Hopefully, our state legislatures will be motivated by the shear gree of the federal goverment.
It worked for me. But, right now, all you get at the web site is a plea for money.
We just met Sterling when he attended our recent online VetsCor board meeting. I thought he had some interesting arguments for repealing the 17th, so asked him if I could post this material. I’m hoping he’ll come on to the thread to answer questions and continue the debate.
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