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To: Saberwielder; Maelstrom
And our results in Pakistan and Afghanistan are pretty dismal by Bush team’s own assessment.

Complete BS on the whole - What has been accomplished in Stan over the past 6 years is incredible by all reasonable (and historic) measures.....When one understands the region (and doesn't simply have a Pro-India dog in this fight - Which you do Saberwidlder).

Are there security concerns, of course. Are the Pak border regions a mess (when in history haven't they been - At least over the past 5 years we've been killing evil SOBs there)....

The reality is Stan was literally still in the dark ages prior to Nov 01....We've made tremendous progress there since then. Anyone who has stepped foot in Stan in 01 and then again today could not deny such.

Of course there are still issues and areas of concern. Acknowledging such within the litany of the hundreds of reports on that region for the world is one thing (needed and responsible)....Yet then having others cherry-pick such areas of concern to try and suggest there has been no progress or what progress there has been is "dismal"....Only shows the lack of any intellectually honest from those cherry-pickers themselves...

Maelstorm - You are exactly right with much of your above comments -

9 posted on 08/06/2007 11:59:32 AM PDT by SevenMinusOne
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To: DevSix

The only dog I have is that of wanting to see our homeland safe. When our ally (the real one, Karzai) says that the current scenario is dismal and it is corroborated by our NIE, then history can decide who is right.

I don’t impute motives to your pro-Musharraf posts and I suggest you do the same with me. Ad Hominem is usually an indication of a failure of reason.

You can spin it anyway you want but for a common American, the admission by his government that the prime enemy has established a safe haven in the same region after six years of fighting sends a clear message. And it ain’t one of success.


11 posted on 08/06/2007 12:18:22 PM PDT by Saberwielder
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