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Northrop picked to build pilotless [comabt] plane [for USN]
Valley Press on ^ | Monday, August 6, 2007

Posted on 08/06/2007 1:23:34 PM PDT by BenLurkin

PALMDALE - The Navy has awarded a $635.8 million contract to Northrop Grumman Corp. to build a revolutionary pilotless combat plane at the company's facility at Air Force Plant 42. The plane, called the X-47B, will be designed to fly from aircraft carriers and carry out bombing missions and perform extended surveillance. It will use stealth technology designed to make it hard to spot on radar.

The six-year contract is part of a Navy program, known as the Unmanned Combat Air System Carrier Demonstration, or UCAS-D, to establish the capability of such a robot plane. Northrop Grumman tested the smaller X-47A in 2003.

"The UCAS-D award is the culmination of several years of effort with the Navy to show the benefit of melding the capabilities of a survivable, persistent, long-range UCAS with those of the aircraft carrier," said Gary Ervin, vice president for Northrop Grumman's Integrated Systems Western Region sector. "The UCAS-D program will reduce the risk of eventual integration of unmanned air systems into carrier environments."

Northrop Grumman initially will build two planes for the Navy. The first is scheduled to fly in late 2009.

The first carrier landings are planned for late 2011, with follow-on analysis and program completion by 2013.

Northrop Grumman already has experience in robot planes, such as the Fire Scout vertical takeoff and landing tactical unmanned system for use in land combat.The Global Hawk robot spy plane currently is being built at the Northrop plant at Palmdale.

Such planes not only save pilots from being sent into danger but also from the tedium of long surveillance missions.

According to the company Web site, the X-47B will be a carrier-capable, multi-mission, unmanned combat aircraft capable of a variety of missions.

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(Excerpt) Read more at avpress.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy
KEYWORDS: aerospace; aerospacevalley; antelopevalley; miltech; northrop; uav; ucasd; x47b
"The Navy has awarded a $635.8 million contract to Northrop Grumman Corp. to build a pilotless combat plane, called the X-47B, at the company's facility at Air Force Plant 42. The plane is part of the Navy's Unmanned Combat Air System Carrier Demonstration program, which was developed out of the former Joint Unmanned Combat Air Systems program. Above is a rendering of a J-UCAS plane launching from an aircraft carrier." Northrop Grumman Corp.
1 posted on 08/06/2007 1:23:41 PM PDT by BenLurkin
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To: BenLurkin

How long will it take the Dems to say this may save some pilots but it increases the carbon footprint of the Navy by being able to stay up longer. This must be stopped - this plane makes too much sense and might increase the U.S. defense capabilities while lowering costs associated and increase the flight/benefit ratio.


2 posted on 08/06/2007 1:29:35 PM PDT by MarkT
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To: BenLurkin

X-47B Pegasus

2 years ago

Northrop Grumman Starts Construction Of Its X-47B J-UCAS UAV

http://www.spacedaily.com/news/uav-05zv.html

Bombs Away!!!


3 posted on 08/06/2007 1:33:48 PM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ... Welcome to FR. The Virtual Boot Camp for 'infidels' in waiting)
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http://www.is.northropgrumman.com/systems/nucasx47b.html


4 posted on 08/06/2007 1:34:39 PM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ... Welcome to FR. The Virtual Boot Camp for 'infidels' in waiting)
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To: NormsRevenge

Looks like a Cylon fighter.


5 posted on 08/06/2007 1:36:48 PM PDT by MeanWestTexan (Kol Hakavod Fred Thompson)
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To: BenLurkin

YA, but can it say, “I’ll be back”?


6 posted on 08/06/2007 1:40:01 PM PDT by 11th Commandment
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To: BenLurkin

Didn’t the Marine Corps try out an essentially “pilotless plane” in the Harrier...???

Maybe they had so many ejection over the years that’s just the way it seems...


7 posted on 08/06/2007 1:45:19 PM PDT by Bean Counter (Stout Hearts...)
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To: MarkT
I’m sure they will be quick to claim it’s their doing at every success and it’s Bush’s fault, a quagmire, miserable failure, Vietnam, story when there is negative news. They’re Democrats, don’t expect less.

Just remember, when the major ground campaigned finished after 21 days of combat Newsweek proclaimed this was only possible because of “Clinton's Army.” Everything following is Bush’s fault!

8 posted on 08/06/2007 2:09:41 PM PDT by Red6 (Come and take it.)
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To: BenLurkin
Title should be Navy pisses away $635.8 million plus 1 billion in over runs. The air force has already developed a plane, why not use it instead of more development money thrown away.
9 posted on 08/06/2007 2:16:32 PM PDT by org.whodat (What's the difference between a Democrat and a republican????)
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To: BenLurkin

Oh, this is great. Now we’ll get to listen to artifical intelligences bragging about how hard it is to land on a carrier.

Then again, that will be a step up, compared to what we have to listen to today.

//running//


10 posted on 08/06/2007 2:16:59 PM PDT by Tennessee_Bob ("Those who "abjure" violence can only do so because others are committing violence on their behalf.")
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To: BenLurkin

I’m sure they’ll just dust-off their ill-fated A-12 and sell it...pilotless...to the rustpickers as something new and different.


11 posted on 08/06/2007 2:21:05 PM PDT by paddles
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To: magslinger

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12 posted on 08/06/2007 2:24:05 PM PDT by Vroomfondel
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13 posted on 08/06/2007 2:40:12 PM PDT by magslinger (Be wary of strong drink. It can make you shoot at tax collectors. And miss. R.A.Heinlein)
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To: BenLurkin
The article makes its sound like a global hawk, but it's powered by an F100-220, so basically it is an unmanned, stealth, carrier capable F-16.

I'm pretty sure I would not want to mess with one, especially being flown by a kid with 30,000 hours of video game experience.

14 posted on 08/06/2007 2:44:07 PM PDT by UNGN (I've been here since '98 but had nothing to say until now)
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To: org.whodat

“Title should be Navy pisses away $635.8 million plus 1 billion in over runs. The air force has already developed a plane, why not use it instead of more development money thrown away.”

You could be correct about the Navy pissing away all that money but it won’t be because the AF has already developed a plane.

There have only been rare occasions where one aircraft could properly serve both the AF and Navy. The F-4, being one.


15 posted on 08/06/2007 2:55:47 PM PDT by ryan71 (You can hear it on the coconut telegraph...)
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To: NormsRevenge

I have this feeling that this project needs to be rushed...


16 posted on 08/06/2007 2:57:51 PM PDT by mcshot (Liberals and RINOs spend our money foolishly and represent but themselves.)
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To: BenLurkin

sweet. unmanned aircraft could take off and land on shorter runways. This could make for smaller aircraft carriers. It will certainly change aircraft carriers in some way.


17 posted on 08/06/2007 2:59:49 PM PDT by farfromhome (What does this button d.....)
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To: UNGN
I think my daughter exceeds the 30,000 hour experience.
18 posted on 08/06/2007 3:02:50 PM PDT by mcshot (Liberals and RINOs spend our money foolishly and represent but themselves.)
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To: BenLurkin

The aircraft has to have two engines and a sturdy landing gear to take the “controlled crash” of a carrier landing.


19 posted on 08/06/2007 3:08:59 PM PDT by rbosque ("To educate a person in mind and not in morals is to educate a menace to society." - Teddy Roosevelt)
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To: BenLurkin
I think this is an effort for the Navy to remain relevant, to stay in the fight, to get their share of the budget.

The Super Hornet does not have very long legs.

If I’m the Navy and I see new aircraft like the Reaper UAV being deployed, I start to wonder if I’m becoming obsolete.

No, the Reaper is not a jet but does it need to be? It can carry 8? Hellfires, 2 500lb. GBU’s and fly for some 20 hours at 50K feet? The Navy can’t keep weapons over the battlefield like that.

I think the Navy is trying to go a step beyond the Predator and current piloted attack aircraft.

20 posted on 08/06/2007 3:10:41 PM PDT by ryan71 (You can hear it on the coconut telegraph...)
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To: MarkT

I hope they don’t use this as an excuse to cut back on piloted fighter planes though. I want more of both. More aircraft carriers too. More of everything.


21 posted on 08/06/2007 3:18:32 PM PDT by mamelukesabre
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To: ryan71

One problem with the Reaper/Predator/Hunter/Global Hawk/any other current UAV is that they are SAM sumps. They aren’t very stealthy, certainly aren’t maneuverable and are easy kills for rudimentary weapons.

The Navy has been heavy duty in the UCAV program since its inception. I don’t think this is an attempt at relevance; the Nav will always have a leg up on the Air Force when it comes to being able to provide sustained power projection. UCAV’s will only make the Navy more prominent.


22 posted on 08/06/2007 3:18:45 PM PDT by Francis McClobber
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To: BenLurkin

NGC BUMP


23 posted on 08/06/2007 3:35:44 PM PDT by jrp
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To: rbosque
The aircraft has to have two engines

Plenty of past exceptions to that absolutism and the F-35C has only one engine.

24 posted on 08/06/2007 3:40:51 PM PDT by A.A. Cunningham
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To: Francis McClobber
True, UAV’s like the Reaper are vulnerable to SAMs. In most scenarios, however, we’ve established air dominance and removed the SAM threat or at least made it minimal.

Take the current situation in Iraq and Afghanistan, for example. We just deployed a number of Reapers. They can remain over the battlefield 24/7, with weapons, and with very little threat to them. Why fly an F-18 to the area to remain on station for 2 hours? You don’t think the Navy looks at that and gets nervous about being left out? The Navy does not have a leg up, at the moment.

Don’t get me wrong, I think the Navy is going in the right direction with this. I like the concept. I was just theorizing about their motivation.

Unlike the Reaper, the UCAV will play a major role in establishing that initial air dominance. I see it having many more mission capabilities than a Reaper type UAV.

25 posted on 08/06/2007 3:51:41 PM PDT by ryan71 (You can hear it on the coconut telegraph...)
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To: A.A. Cunningham

Yep. A-4, F-8, A-7, and more.


26 posted on 08/06/2007 3:53:37 PM PDT by ryan71 (You can hear it on the coconut telegraph...)
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To: org.whodat

SO did northrop. Boeings plane was built for the Airforce. It did not demonstrate arrested landing on a moving carrier deck. And Northrops plane flew well before boeings.


27 posted on 08/06/2007 3:57:06 PM PDT by Always Independent
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To: ryan71
No, the Reaper is not a jet but does it need to be? It can carry 8? Hellfires, 2 500lb. GBU’s and fly for some 20 hours at 50K feet? The Navy can’t keep weapons over the battlefield like that.

The next model will be a jet. The USAF has also ordered two versions of Predator B with turbofan jet engines, to be known as Predator C. First flight of the Predator C is expected in 2009.

28 posted on 08/06/2007 3:59:51 PM PDT by SauronOfMordor (Open Season rocks http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ymLJz3N8ayI)
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To: Always Independent
Read slowly, A light unmanned plane does not need to approach at the arresting speed currently used. So modify it, it is much cheaper than a whole new pane and a bazillion dollars in inventory parts.
29 posted on 08/06/2007 4:12:29 PM PDT by org.whodat (What's the difference between a Democrat and a republican????)
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To: ryan71
True, UAV’s like the Reaper are vulnerable to SAMs. In most scenarios, however, we’ve established air dominance and removed the SAM threat or at least made it minimal.

Plus, much of what Naval aviation does is to patrol. Combat Air Patrol. Anti-sub patrol. And if it gets shot down, well, that's a valuable piece of information -- that there's something hostile out there

30 posted on 08/06/2007 4:14:49 PM PDT by SauronOfMordor (Open Season rocks http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ymLJz3N8ayI)
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To: org.whodat

You obviously have seen the size of the aircraft they are building. you may see pics of it in production at northrops website. In addition to carrier landing, it will demonstrate aerial refueling weapons release. Not hellfire size missiles.


31 posted on 08/06/2007 4:18:06 PM PDT by Always Independent
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To: Always Independent
You obviously have seen the size of the aircraft they are building.

Does not change one thing. I do not think that it is needed. And it is a double procurement waste of tax payers money. The air force is building a light attack surveillance platform which is cheap and reliable. The navy wants a Mercedes super heavy fighter bomber surveillance, that does not have a pilot, and that will cost millions and millions per copy

32 posted on 08/06/2007 5:15:01 PM PDT by org.whodat (What's the difference between a Democrat and a republican????)
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To: farfromhome

Not to mention that it’s maneuverability will be limited by the endurance of its electronics rather than that of the pilot.

No one is going to turn inside of a fighter that can pull 20 G’s without batting an eye.


33 posted on 08/06/2007 5:18:46 PM PDT by Constantine XIII
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To: magslinger

Kewl, I didn’t know Free Republic had it’s own F-4s!

They were like huge hulking beasts compared to our A-4s.
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34 posted on 08/06/2007 5:43:01 PM PDT by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
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To: tet68
Yes, we fly them off of this:

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We tried to get some F-14's but the Navy insisted on crushing them instead.

The F-4 is to the A-4 as a dragster is to a Corvair I'm not dissing the Skyhawk, the Corvair is loads of fun to drive and has a surprising amount of trunk space but isn't noted for acceleration or top end, kind of like the A-4.

35 posted on 08/06/2007 6:37:13 PM PDT by magslinger (Be wary of strong drink. It can make you shoot at tax collectors. And miss. R.A.Heinlein)
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To: A.A. Cunningham

Then I guess the Navy has changed its policy since I left. I thought it was a prerequisite for all carrier planes.


36 posted on 08/06/2007 7:10:47 PM PDT by rbosque ("To educate a person in mind and not in morals is to educate a menace to society." - Teddy Roosevelt)
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To: mamelukesabre

Agreed!


37 posted on 08/06/2007 7:49:06 PM PDT by BenLurkin
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To: org.whodat

They are designed for completely different missions. The AF predators are for surveilance and light attack. The navy birds will be designed for multirole missions such as attack on air defense and heavily defended targets lessening the risk to piloted aircraft. The AF x45 a/c were being desinged for similar missions as the navy a/c. Predators can’t do it.


38 posted on 08/06/2007 11:50:48 PM PDT by Always Independent
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To: magslinger

Heinemann’s Hot Rod was no slouch and handed a lot of Phantom II and Tomcat jocks their lunch at Top Gun.


39 posted on 08/07/2007 4:02:47 AM PDT by A.A. Cunningham
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To: A.A. Cunningham
I don't doubt. Phantoms and Tomcats both have a fuselage full of 'get out of here'. The Skyhawk is a small, maneuverable bird with a payload that must be seen to be appreciated. Or believed. Each has advantages and disadvantages due to what it was designed for and design philosophy.

Try this thought experiment. We're racing a rail and a Corvair. You pick who gets which, I'll pick the track. If I'm in the rail, count on a straight. If it's the Corvair, twisting won't even begin to cover it.

40 posted on 08/07/2007 7:37:24 AM PDT by magslinger (Be wary of strong drink. It can make you shoot at tax collectors. And miss. R.A.Heinlein)
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