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Thompson winning men, Clinton women -- Both find opposite gender tougher
AP via KnoxNews ^ | 8/7/7 | ALAN FRAM, Associated Press

Posted on 08/07/2007 12:47:16 PM PDT by SmithL

WASHINGTON - Women are flocking to Hillary Rodham Clinton's Democratic presidential candidacy and men are doing the same for Republican Fred Thompson.

Yet for all that support, both candidates are showing early vulnerabilities wooing voters of the opposite sex.

Thompson, the former Tennessee senator and tough-guy actor on television's "Law and Order," gets 68 percent of his support from males as he edges toward a run for the GOP presidential nomination, far more than other hopefuls, according to recent Associated Press-Ipsos polling. While he and front-runner Rudy Giuliani each draw nearly a quarter of the Republican male vote, he significantly trails his chief rivals among women.

"He seems to be closer to the conservative that I am," said Richard Bussa, 60, a Thompson supporter and retired newspaper writer from Minford, Ohio. "Playing on the police shows he's on, he does present a hard-nosed, law-and-order-type guy."

On the Democratic side, Clinton is showing a mirror-image weakness, though one less stark than Thompson's.

The New York senator and former first lady gets 63 percent of her support from women and has more than twice the female backing of her nearest rival, Sen. Barack Obama, D-Ill., in AP-Ipsos surveys. She has only a slender lead among men, who are splitting their allegiances about evenly among her, Obama and former Vice President Al Gore, who has not said he will run.

"She's competent, she's tough," said Diana Roberts, 54, a teacher from Edison, N.J. "And I think it's time" for a woman to be president.

These patterns make Clinton and Thompson formidable forces within their parties. A slight majority of GOP voters are men, who tend to be more conservative than women, while just over half of Democratic voters are female, according to figures from recent national elections.

Analysts caution that women tend to choose their candidates later than men, and that many people aren't closely following the campaigns yet. Even so, Thompson and Clinton would each want to attract more voters of the opposite sex should they lead their parties in the 2008 general elections.

"She can certainly win the nomination based on her support with women," said Democratic pollster Geoff Garin, who is not affiliated with any presidential candidate. "But at the end of the day for the general election, she needs to make sure she can get her fair share of votes among swing men as well."

Combining data from AP-Ipsos polls from June and July, Clinton _ who leads nationally overall _ had the support of 41 percent of women. That compared to 19 percent for Obama, 14 percent for Gore and 10 percent for John Edwards. Clinton is strong with women of all ages, married and single.

At the same time, Clinton had the backing of 26 percent of men _ slightly more than Obama's 23 percent and Gore's 22 percent, while Edwards had 13 percent. Clinton did worst with men who are younger or political independents _ the same groups where Obama did best.

Ann Lewis, senior adviser to Clinton, said Clinton's leadership ability and the family issues like health care she emphasizes would eventually win over more males.

"I think we have room to grow among men," said Lewis.

Thompson's support from 24 percent of men was virtually tied with Giuliani's 22 percent, and better than the 18 percent who favor Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz. Thompson draws most of his strength from men over age 45 and married men _ who tend to be more conservative than their younger and single counterparts.

Giuliani, the former New York mayor, leads easily among GOP women, winning 26 percent compared to 16 percent for McCain and 12 percent for both Thompson and Mitt Romney. Giuliani, more moderate than Thompson on abortion and other social issues, gets 54 percent of his support from women.

"To say he has a problem with women misses the point," John McLaughlin, Thompson's pollster, said of the candidate. "Thompson has surged and he's in first place among men now and he's not even in the race. The women voters, they'll be there."

Typifying Thompson's situation is Carolyn Baughn, 70, a retired legal secretary from Jackson, Miss., who says she has seen his television show.

"I haven't seen him make any real political statements, or have to make any decisions that would pertain to the people of the United States, and I think that means a lot," said Baughn, a Giuliani supporter.

Also supporting Giuliani is Cheryl Simonich, 50, a training coordinator in West Jordan, Utah, who liked his calm during the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks. She expressed surprise he was doing well among women.

"He's no George Clooney, you know," she said, referring to the handsome actor.

The AP-Ipsos poll taken July 9 to 11 involved telephone interviews with 1,004 adults and had a margin of sampling error of plus or minus 3 percentage points.

For the combined June and July polls, the margin of sampling error was plus or minus 3.5 percentage points for Republicans and plus or minus 3 percentage points for Democrats.


TOPICS: Editorial; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: fredthompson; hillary; malevote; piaps; runfredrun; womensvote
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1 posted on 08/07/2007 12:47:19 PM PDT by SmithL
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To: SmithL

“She’s competent, she’s tough.” She wasn’t very tough on her husband from 1992-2000, was she?


2 posted on 08/07/2007 12:49:41 PM PDT by RexBeach ("Americans never quit." Douglas MacArthur)
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To: SmithL
Women are flocking to Hillary Rodham Clinton's Democratic presidential candidacy......

Women are some of the most ANTI-HILLARY I've ever heard! What HOGwash!........

3 posted on 08/07/2007 12:49:43 PM PDT by Red Badger (All I know about Minnesota, I learned from Garrison Keilor.............)
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To: SmithL

Related:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1877467/posts


4 posted on 08/07/2007 12:52:13 PM PDT by xcamel ("It's Talk Thompson Time!" >> irc://irc.freenode.net/fredthompson)
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To: SmithL


5 posted on 08/07/2007 12:52:35 PM PDT by darkwing104 (Let's get dangerous)
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To: Red Badger
The women I associate with think Fred is hot.
6 posted on 08/07/2007 12:54:11 PM PDT by oyez (Justa' another high minded lowlife.)
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To: Red Badger
agreed anecdotally. My wife has no use for her and I THINK I’ve also flipped my daughter....
7 posted on 08/07/2007 12:54:26 PM PDT by stylin19a (Go Bears !)
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To: Red Badger
Women are flocking to Hillary Rodham Clinton's Democratic presidential candidacy......

Let them delude themselves, that's a good thing.

8 posted on 08/07/2007 12:58:27 PM PDT by pfflier
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To: SmithL
I can see the slogan now...

"Women of Needs" For Hillary!

SNORT.

9 posted on 08/07/2007 1:00:43 PM PDT by mewzilla (Property must be secured or liberty cannot exist. John Adams)
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To: SmithL

And they’re trying to tell me that Fred is not going to be wooing women right and left once he gets going? This is going to be fun to watch.


10 posted on 08/07/2007 1:00:45 PM PDT by NurdlyPeon (Thompson / Hunter in 2008)
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To: oyez

You associate with a lot of near sighted women?.......


11 posted on 08/07/2007 1:01:33 PM PDT by Red Badger (All I know about Minnesota, I learned from Garrison Keilor.............)
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To: SmithL

The problem with Hillary is she is not feminine or graceful. A woman in the WH would have to be a combo of Jacquelyn Kennedy and Condoleeza Rice. And the shrill when she is trying to give a speech is deafening. I know, I sound just like her when I am not in control. As for Thompson-He’s fine as long as he doesn’t go too political and remembers the roots. I favor Hunter right now, though.


12 posted on 08/07/2007 1:02:29 PM PDT by huldah1776 ( Worthy is the Lamb)
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To: SmithL
Melinda Henneberger: More women feeling skeptical about Clinton's authenticity - though they wish they weren't
13 posted on 08/07/2007 1:03:27 PM PDT by mewzilla (Property must be secured or liberty cannot exist. John Adams)
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To: SmithL

Hillary! is winning her core vote: felons, illegal aliens, and dead people.


14 posted on 08/07/2007 1:03:43 PM PDT by Little Ray (Rudy Guiliani: If his wives can't trust him, why should we?)
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To: huldah1776

A woman can be graceful, feminine, wear a dress, and still be tough when it counts. Think about Margaret Thatcher for example.

Bill said recently that Hillary isn’t trying to be a man.

Hillary never wears a dress or skirt. It’s always a pantsuit.

And she favors those Chairman Mao style jacket/tunic tops. She just looks awful in those.


15 posted on 08/07/2007 1:05:28 PM PDT by Dilbert San Diego
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To: SmithL
“Women are flocking to Hillary Rodham Clinton’s Democratic presidential candidacy”

Why would they be flocking to Hillary when it’s clear that John Edwards is a LOT more feminine.

16 posted on 08/07/2007 1:06:26 PM PDT by vetsvette (Bring Him Back)
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To: Dilbert San Diego

I wonder if she has an identity problem? She really isn’t very convincing of who she is.


17 posted on 08/07/2007 1:09:20 PM PDT by huldah1776 ( Worthy is the Lamb)
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To: SmithL

“To say he has a problem with women misses the point,” John McLaughlin, Thompson’s pollster, said of the candidate. “Thompson has surged and he’s in first place among men now and he’s not even in the race. The women voters, they’ll be there.”


Married women almost always show up voting repub. Now I’d say Hill’s going to have a bigger problem convincing men to vote for her.


18 posted on 08/07/2007 1:25:48 PM PDT by Rick_Michael (The Anti-Federalists failed....so will the Anti-Frederalists)
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To: SmithL

What exactly is she competent at doing?


19 posted on 08/07/2007 1:34:25 PM PDT by sageb1 (This is the Final Crusade. There are only 2 sides. Pick one.)
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To: Red Badger

they must not be talking about heterosexual women...


20 posted on 08/07/2007 1:39:41 PM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: SmithL

I’m almost positive she has the Fire Chiefs’ of the City of San Diego vote wrapped up....


21 posted on 08/07/2007 1:40:04 PM PDT by stylin19a (Go Bears !)
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To: sageb1
What exactly is she competent at doing?

Click on photo

22 posted on 08/07/2007 1:41:59 PM PDT by ASA Vet (http://www.rinorepublic.com)
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To: SmithL

One thing for sure. Hillary does not remind men of their second wife.


23 posted on 08/07/2007 1:42:55 PM PDT by AU72
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To: RexBeach
I was thinking more like she was corrupt and ruthless.
24 posted on 08/07/2007 1:49:57 PM PDT by Americanexpat (A strong democracy through citizen oversight.)
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To: SmithL
Women are flocking to Hillary Rodham Clinton's Democratic presidential candidacy

LOL Yeah, right. Not this woman.

25 posted on 08/07/2007 1:51:28 PM PDT by MEGoody (Ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.)
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To: Little Ray
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27 posted on 08/07/2007 1:55:49 PM PDT by 007girl
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To: SmithL
Just in case this article is right, I think it would be very smart politically (like talk radio, for instance) not to attack Hillary on her lack of sexual appeal to men. That is a turnoff even for conservative women.

She's got plenty of other things about her to worry about.

28 posted on 08/07/2007 1:58:50 PM PDT by Mamzelle (Down with Mel Martinez)
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To: oyez
Same with me.

Photo Sharing and Video Hosting at Photobucket

29 posted on 08/07/2007 1:59:40 PM PDT by mware (By all that you hold dear..on this good earth... I bid you stand! Men of the West!)
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To: SmithL
"Women are flocking to Hillary Rodham Clinton's Democratic presidential candidacy and men are doing the same for Republican Fred Thompson."Note to Alan Fram of AP, you need to quit alerting everyone to your status as a Hillary "babe."

No decent woman of any age would "support" that bi- tch.

Only the "girls," dykes, girly boys, and other commies, will climb on the Hillary bandwagon.

Being all-woman 24/7, I can assure you I have no trouble with Thompson nor other (real conservative) males in the bunch.

30 posted on 08/07/2007 2:03:16 PM PDT by zerosix (Native Sunflower)
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To: Dilbert San Diego
Hillary never wears a dress or skirt. It’s always a pantsuit

hence, PIAPS.

31 posted on 08/07/2007 2:06:15 PM PDT by SmithL (si vis pacem, para bellum)
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To: NurdlyPeon

“And they’re trying to tell me that Fred is not going to be wooing women right and left once he gets going?”

wooing? LMAO, based on what? A southern accent? Unlike his wife, he’s not even the least bit attractive.

“Playing on the police shows he’s on, he does present a hard-nosed, law-and-order-type guy.”

Now thars a way to pick ur candidate, fer sure.


32 posted on 08/07/2007 2:08:04 PM PDT by Kimberly GG (..."we must give them aspirations of citizenship"... - Fred Thompson, 2006)
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To: SmithL; doug from upland
Hillary Clinton's Thesis is now online. It's little but an intellectually disappointing and fawning worship of a surrogate father-figure, the product of a truly sick mind.

I did not have sex with that man, Mr. Alinsky

33 posted on 08/07/2007 2:16:08 PM PDT by Carry_Okie (There are people in power who are REALLY stupid.)
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To: SmithL

She’s getting 63 percent of the DEMOCRATIC women vote.


34 posted on 08/07/2007 2:18:37 PM PDT by Tribune7 (Michael Moore bought Haliburton)
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To: SmithL

Oh, I think once Fred gets out on the campaign trail with Jeri and maybe the kids, the women will take another look. Jeri will likely be a great asset among younger working women, and even the stay at home moms.


35 posted on 08/07/2007 2:30:50 PM PDT by SuziQ
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To: Little Ray

“Hillary! is winning her core vote: felons, illegal aliens, and dead people.”

dont forget the lesbian and transgender votes!


36 posted on 08/07/2007 3:08:31 PM PDT by txroadhawg ("To compare Congress to drunken sailors is an insult to drunken sailors." Ronald Reagan)
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To: SmithL

>>>>Women are flocking to Hillary Rodham Clinton’s Democratic presidential candidacy and men are doing the same for Republican Fred Thompson.<<<<<

Gee, except for the local observation around here that every single woman I know can’t stand Hillary Clinton. As Groucho Marx would say, “What are you going to believe? Me or your own eyes?”


37 posted on 08/07/2007 3:19:45 PM PDT by redpoll (redpoll)
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To: sageb1

She gets away with crimes pretty well.

Must be all the studying she did so as to pass the Bar exam the SECOND time around . . . so much for being the smartest woman in the world.


38 posted on 08/07/2007 3:21:02 PM PDT by MeanWestTexan (Kol Hakavod Fred Thompson)
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To: Kimberly GG

Sounds like you and I will never be competing for the same man! LOL! I think Fred is very sexy. I thought so from way before this political race. A big guy that exudes power and a huge dose of southern charm is about as hot as it gets in my book. I’d guess he’s got “the old broad” vote tied up.


39 posted on 08/07/2007 3:24:50 PM PDT by BruceysMom (I don't believe in soul mates, I don't think most men have souls.)
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To: SmithL

Thank God my daughter isn’t in that teacher’s class. Ugh. Typical “Ms.” argument ( about time we had a woman President). Not THAT woman. Most women I know can spot a conniving (insert 4 letter word here)a mile away. And Hillary is just that. I do not trust here and I do not have faith in her ability to lead this country.


40 posted on 08/07/2007 3:37:40 PM PDT by SueRae
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To: BruceysMom

“A big guy that exudes power and a huge dose of southern charm....”

LOL....guess I just don’t see it.

I do know some wonderfully charming, very handsome, and powerful southern men from Tennessee, but not all big, ‘powerful’ southern men are charming (or sexy)....Think fellow Tennessean Al Gore ;) ewww, ewww, ewww


41 posted on 08/07/2007 3:45:38 PM PDT by Kimberly GG (..."we must give them aspirations of citizenship"... - Fred Thompson, 2006)
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To: Kimberly GG
wooing? LMAO, based on what? A southern accent? Unlike his wife, he’s not even the least bit attractive.

Just because it doesn't make any sense you you, doesn't mean that it hasn't been happening, and won't continue to happen. I stand by my statement.

42 posted on 08/07/2007 4:13:43 PM PDT by NurdlyPeon (Thompson / Hunter in 2008)
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To: Carry_Okie

Every woman in America needs to know that Hillary talks a good game about violence and women, but this YouTube exposes how a man who trafficked in women, including young women, laundered 645K to the DNC through Charlie Trie. He made many visits to the Clinton White House and spent two nights in the residence quarters. Please see that others see this -— http://youtube.com/watch?v=jx1JDiXtwsQ


43 posted on 08/07/2007 4:39:15 PM PDT by doug from upland (Stopping Hillary should be a FreeRepublic Manhattan Project)
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To: RexBeach
“She’s competent, she’s tough.” She wasn’t very tough on her husband from 1992-2000, was she?

Don' think she had much confidence in him,either.

44 posted on 08/07/2007 4:57:02 PM PDT by hschliemann
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To: SmithL
Yet for all that support, both candidates are showing early vulnerabilities wooing voters of the opposite sex.

With Hillary, this is understandable. Would I want to listen to a screeching voice like that? What if my wife sounded like that!?

With Thompson, as a man it's hard for me to say whether he is attractive or not - that's for the women to decide. I will say that his decicion to marry a woman decades his junior raises eyebrows about possible shallow character, and may make some women (quite understandably) uncomfortable with him. That's a choice he made earlier in life, and he must live with the consequences.

Of course, all of this is immaterial when set beside competance and ideology.

45 posted on 08/07/2007 5:45:32 PM PDT by Lexinom (http://www.gohunter08.com Don't let the press pick our candidates)
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To: NurdlyPeon

What kind of “man” supports Hillary anyway?


46 posted on 08/07/2007 6:02:11 PM PDT by boop (Trunk Monkey. Is there anything he can't do?)
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To: SmithL

Thompson is doing better in the polls than most who have actually declared. He definitely has some momentum.


47 posted on 08/07/2007 6:05:00 PM PDT by mysterio
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To: sageb1
"What exactly is she competent at doing?"

Hillary is VERY good at sending her goons out to threaten and intimidate women who have had affairs with her husband. I'm sure LOTS of women can identify with that, helping their husband cheat on them.

48 posted on 08/07/2007 6:07:32 PM PDT by boop (Trunk Monkey. Is there anything he can't do?)
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To: SmithL

Fred is winning me because he seems a lighter version twin of Russell Thompkins Jr - the MAGICAL singer of THE Stylistics

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5698442808917216864&q=Russell+Thompkins%2CJr.+%26+New+Stylistics+-+Betcha+By+Golly+Wow&total=3&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=0


49 posted on 08/07/2007 6:13:21 PM PDT by eleni121 (+ En Touto Nika! By this sign conquer! + Constantine the Great)
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To: SmithL

Interesting analysis of the crowd at a recent Clinton visit to New Hampshire:

http://www.nashuatelegraph.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070807/NEWS01/208070358

• While the former president “completely believes” his wife would be an excellent president, he does not think she will be elected, at least not in 2008.

• The audience for the rally was “heavily populated by alpha females.” The report went on to say, “These were not ‘earth mothers’ or ‘madonnas,’ but definitely ‘goddesses,’ women who were aware of and comfortable with their own power.”

• Men in the audience were guarded in their statements about Hillary Clinton, but women were committed.

• The senator’s campaign staff had “an astounding number of alpha females,” but no alpha males.

The results were collected through trained observations of the crowd...


50 posted on 08/07/2007 7:50:30 PM PDT by LibFreeOrDie (L'Chaim!)
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