[CheyennePress]

Question: How many 90 mph fastballers were around in Hank Aaron’s day?

And why so many more now?

Might it be that *gasp* pitchers are using performance enhancing drugs, too?

Sorry, I don’t get the fake rage over steroids. Virtually everyone in the NFL uses or has used them. Exceptions might include punters, kickers, and quarterbacks. It’s rampant in the college game.

And I assure you, players were doing whatever they could to get ahead in Aaron’s days, as well.

But if you want to talk about cheating and playing dirty, do you support Ty Cobb being the Hall. And if so, why?

[Junior_G]

Sorry, I don’t get the fake rage over steroids. Virtually everyone in the NFL uses or has used them. Exceptions might include punters, kickers, and quarterbacks. It’s rampant in the college game.

That's some pretty weak reasoning. Lots of people do it, therefore it's ok? Barry Bonds sucks a juiced one.

[SoldierDad]

I’m with you. Who can say for sure that Hank Aaron didn’t use some performance enhancing substance back in his days (when they didn’t even think about testing, let alone do testing - of which Barry has never failed a single one). He’s got the record without the asterisk attached IHMO.

[Trailerpark Badass]

I'm not celebrating.

Not because he used steroids, but because he's a jerk.

[dhs12345]

Guess I am naive to think that people don’t cheat. Don’t cheat on college exams, either. But it probably happens all of the time.

Let them all juice themselves and make it legal. I won’t watch the games or support the team. Why should I? They are all “enhanced.” Might as well get boob jobs, too.

BTW, don’t want to hear about the poor athlete to took steroids and is now dying of cancer or some other nasty disease.

[over3Owithabrain]

Dude your arguments are thin and tired. One - the major league fastball has hardly changed over the last 60 years at least. In Aaron's day guys like Bob Gibson were as good or better than anyone out there now. Bob Feller in the 1940s was said to throw 100. Heard of Nolan Ryan?

As far as roids the worst part is not the unfair advantage so much as they are horrible, even fatal, for health. So if you let some guys use them to get an obvious advantage, you are basically forcing guys who don't want to shrink their testicles or worse, get brain cancer, to "keep up". Hence the unfairness - Ruin your body like these steroid freaks or get your a** kicked on the field and lose you job. Plus the game is ruined by one dimensionsal, misshapen, gimpy players out there. More so baseball than any other sport really.

Ty Cobb sharpened his cleats, trash talked, as was an all around a-hole. But with his natural talent and grit was also one of the greatest players EVER. BTW so was Bonds pre-cheat. Only an obsession to be glorified for the HR and his advancing age and declining overall skills led him to this point.

[Nonstatist]

Might it be that *gasp* pitchers are using performance enhancing drugs, too?

If they are, its not steroids. They bloat your muscles and strain your tendons and ligaments and it isnt really usefull to pitchers

Fact is, all the other major sports do a lot more and rigorous drug testing than does major league baseball.

Hey, how do you think Lyle Alzado and Ken Caminiti felt about dieing painful deaths at 40 from all the steroids they shot into themselves? Was it worth it ? (if it was , then thats really sad)

[Archie Bunker on steroids]

Exceptions might include punters, kickers, and quarterbacks.

The worse offenders....Saurbraun of the Panthers was recently busted.....and have you seen Vjack or the Eagles kicker out of uniform. As far as QBs go Brady Quinn has more steroids than blood in his circulatory system......Mike Vick is on em too! Tom Brady has also been indirectly linked to Balco.

[SAJ]

Wow. 10 or 12 straw men in ONE post! My compliments!

Mr Aaron, you will note, hit ALL -- every single one -- of his home runs without chemical assistance (AND, ftm, without that levered arm plate that Mr. Bonds uses).

We'll just have to agree to disagree. Bonds is, and has been for years, a cheater.

[jwh_Denver]

How many times have you copy/pasted that post?

[DB]

There were no radar guns back then to measure how fast it was. I suppose you could use film and see how many frames it took to travel the distance.

I had a highschool friend who could throw 90 mph+. No drugs.

[My Favorite Headache]

I say congrats to Barry. No proof that he has ever tested positive intentionally taking a needle or pills that I know of...just some sports cream that came up once.

Hitting a home run is hard. Hitting 756 is damn near impossible. Hats off to the man on this incredible night.

[normy]

I am getting tired of the excuses for Bonds at the expense of guys like Aaron. If you look at the HR numbers of guys like McGuire, Sosa, Bonds or some of the other big hitters from a few years ago its obvious roids helped their longball. I believe Sosa went from hittin in the 30's to 6o's and McGuire went from the high 50's to the low 70's. Bonds did the same along with some lower level guys like Ken Camineti and the guy from the Yankees/Oakland (his name is escaping me).

Once they get off the roidss their numbers go back to normal. 50 hr's is a big deal, 40 hr's is a big deal but the guys like Griffey and A-Rod didn't juice to get their numbers. Bonds and the whole Balco deal is about getting by the testing. Its about players using illegal performance enhancing drugs made to be undetectable by scientists so they can hit more HR make more money and break records. Its BS and as far as NFL guys juicing? Well when they get caught they get suspended but Emmitt, Walter and Sanders along with Marino, Elway and Montana were never on them.