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'Today': NY Times Goes to Bat for Bonds
NewsBusters ^ | Mark Finkelstein

Posted on 08/08/2007 5:16:12 AM PDT by governsleastgovernsbest

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To: kabar

Most ballplayers get a bigger can, thighs & paunch as they age. While I can understand a certain amount of additional muscle-mass up top due to modern off-season weight-training programs, I can’t accept the size of his head. There’s no overlooking that.


61 posted on 08/08/2007 9:20:51 AM PDT by Tallguy (Climate is what you plan for, weather is what you get.)
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To: Biblebelter
But the man really being cheated here is Henry Aaron.

Aaron not only had to put up with all the infamous BS surrounding his homerun chase, he had to put up with negative comparisons with other contemporaries -- notably Willie Mays.

Aaron was not a flashy player. He never hit more than 50 HRs in a season. He was almost always overlooked until he got close to Ruth (that's my recollection from my Little League days). Maybe it would have been different if Hank had played for the Big Red Machine, the LA Dodgers, Weaver's Baltimore Orioles, or the Oakland A's. Hank only got his due when he got the record. Now he doesn't even have that.

62 posted on 08/08/2007 9:30:42 AM PDT by Tallguy (Climate is what you plan for, weather is what you get.)
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To: Trailerpark Badass
LOL. I think the moon looks like it is made of green cheese. I have no motive to make this stuff up.

I have not seen any real comparison of Bond's head size over the years or its possible cause. You have no scientific basis to make assertions that Bond's head has doubled in size and that it is caused by the use of steroids. You have evaded the quesitons I have posed to you, i.e., What medical evidence, aside from prenatal use of steroids, is there that shows that adults will increase their head size if they use steroids? How does it work? Does the cranium enlarge along with the brain? What about the size of the mandible?

63 posted on 08/08/2007 9:38:24 AM PDT by kabar
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To: Tallguy

What medical evidence, aside from prenatal use of steroids, is there that shows that adults will increase their head size if they use steroids? How does it work? Does the cranium enlarge along with the brain? What about the size of the mandible?


64 posted on 08/08/2007 9:39:12 AM PDT by kabar
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To: Long Island Pete

When I was 22, I weighed 160 (at 5’10). At 38, I’ve been bouncing between 200 and 210, and not too pear-shaped for it. Am I all ‘roided up, too?


65 posted on 08/08/2007 9:42:19 AM PDT by Teacher317
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To: Teacher317

Dont know. Are you having someone apply a cream that you dont know what it is?


66 posted on 08/08/2007 9:44:43 AM PDT by Long Island Pete
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To: Tallguy; All
It is a great accomplishment, especially considering with 756 was reached with so many fewer at bats and the fact that Barry holds the walks record (pitcher avoiding pitching to him).

World-class athletes work very hard to be able to achieve greatness. There is no proven direct correlation on how steroid use would allow an athlete to mash a baseball. It take great vision, lots of practice, etc.

From what I see, steroids kill or severely disable people who use them. Cancer, madness, atrophy of testes, stroke.

What media has done is burn into the minds of young people that steroids assist you to become a superstar (which is a lie).

Media has done this to only Barry Bonds because he disses them. He ignores them, does not bow and scrape. Calls 5’6” Costas a “midget”. (LOL)

67 posted on 08/08/2007 9:46:04 AM PDT by shalom aleichem
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To: shalom aleichem; kabar
World-class athletes work very hard to be able to achieve greatness. There is no proven direct correlation on how steroid use would allow an athlete to mash a baseball. It take great vision, lots of practice, etc.

Bonds is a great hitter. One of the best ever. The difference is that his long flyballs go out. That helps his BA, Slugging percentage & on-base percentage as well as the obvious HR stat. All those numbers for Bonds have been in the stratosphere the last 4 years. THAT is freakish in itself for a player his age. Put that next to his apparent head size & his physical proximity to the BALCO scandal & you have a heckuva circumstancial case.

68 posted on 08/08/2007 9:56:21 AM PDT by Tallguy (Climate is what you plan for, weather is what you get.)
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To: shalom aleichem
What media has done is burn into the minds of young people that steroids assist you to become a superstar (which is a lie).

What size does for a high school athlete is get you noticed. You get a kid who weighs 280 plus & plays on the line & he immediately gets the college scouts salivating. That's the problem with steroids. The affect it has on kids too young to make responsible decisions.

69 posted on 08/08/2007 9:58:47 AM PDT by Tallguy (Climate is what you plan for, weather is what you get.)
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To: kabar
You have evaded the quesitons I have posed to you, i.e.,

Ok, pal, take a deep breath and have a nice life.

70 posted on 08/08/2007 10:01:49 AM PDT by Trailerpark Badass
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To: kabar
In the book, Game of Shadows, the authors claim Bonds' head grew from size 7 1/8 to 7 3/4 and his feet grew from size 10 1/2 to size 13. Apparently, fluid retention and swelling are side-effects of long-term use, among other things (shrinking package, etc.)

Bonds' growth suspect

71 posted on 08/08/2007 10:19:51 AM PDT by Michael_Michaelangelo (The best theory is not ipso facto a good theory.)
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To: Teacher317
When I was 22, I weighed 160 (at 5’10). At 38, I’ve been bouncing between 200 and 210, and not too pear-shaped for it. Am I all ‘roided up, too?

That's the product of 16 years of disciplined workouts & probably a good diet as well. Bonds made most of his size gains over the span of 3 years, including a huge jump in 1 off-season (the 3rd year). Even his Giant teammates commented on that fact. No you're not 'roided up, but the evidence against Bonds' size-gains being the product of a natural workout program is pretty strong.

72 posted on 08/08/2007 10:56:11 AM PDT by Tallguy (Climate is what you plan for, weather is what you get.)
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To: Long Island Pete

Thanks. Now my office-mates are wondering why I’m laughing while I’m looking up client information. ROFL


73 posted on 08/09/2007 10:40:59 AM PDT by Teacher317
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