Posted on 08/08/2007 2:36:49 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
For all practical purposes, Hillary is already the Dem nominee. That’s why she’s pretending to be to the right of Obama. She knows that it won’t win her any primary votes, but it will position her to beat up on the GOP nominee, whoever it might be.
Yet, her impending coronation does not seem to have opened the spigots.
You don't get it. Millions of dollars, or declaring your presidential candidacy light-years in advance, isn't going to make you a winner. It's all about the message. That's why Fred Thompson & Ron Paul have huge grassroots support. They have a winning conservative message of limited government and fiscal responsibility, and both of them still raised millions without batting an eye.
Rudy & Romney are not going to win, and if one of them is nominated they're going to get creamed in the general.
Do you realize what time of the year it is? It's summer. Nobody's paying attention to politics. Nobody cares. The only people who are, are the diehards on the Internet & cable television shows.
Fred is going to declare in September with a rousing speech, and you can stick a fork in all of other contenders besides Paul, because again these are the two with the grassroots support and winning message.
I’m a conservative. I can live with Giuliani. I can live with any of the GOP candidates, though some of them I would not give a snow-ball’s chance in Hell of beating Hillary.
If it’s Hillary, I’m going to start investing my money overseas... In a place that she can’t reach. Maybe Switzerland or the Bahamas, or maybe I’ll just invest it all in gold and bury it somewhere, while I brush up on my survival skills.
“Fred is going to declare in September...”
First, they said “May,” then “June,” then “July.” I think I remember having this argument with you back in June, in fact, and you were telling me that it would happen on the 4th of July.
Time’s wasting. It was wasting back in June. The reason I’m spending so much time posting on this thread is that I think it’s too late. He missed his chance. It’s time to move on.
Functionally, in any sense that matters, both cannot be true.
Unless you're just plain ignorant, I guess.
But, somehow I doubt you have that excuse.
There are a whole lot of conservatives who can live with Giuliani. You’re just not one of them.
But you will live with Hillary.
Well, if you can “live with Giuliani” there is little reason that you can’t “live with Hillary.”
Do you consider yourself a pragmatist?
I admit that the main difference between Hillary and Giuliani is that Hillary is a socialist and Giuliani is not. But that’s a heck of a difference.
>The Republic needs a man like FDT!<
I am so tempted to say, “like the Republic needs a hole in it’s head”, but that would make the Fredheads angry, so I won’t say it. :)
Seriously though, we already have a strong, consistent, level headed conservative running, so what do we need with just another moderate Globalist?
The only real difference between Hillary and Giuliani is that they have a different letter next to their names, and that Rudy wears dresses.
I think what this piece is saying, though not very clearly, is that one of the benefits of Fred waiting is that it gives all the operatives on all the other campaigns time to experience buyer’s remorse for their initial first choice.
Bump
If Hillary imposes her socialist policies on you, you will soon learn otherwise. If it weren’t for the capitalist system, this nation would be reminiscent of Central America in every respect.
It would indeed be ironic if after defeating communism we then adopted communism, and ended up destroying ourselves while the Russians, Chinese, and Cubans laughed their beebers off at us.
Sorry, but the Hillary fear-mongering club just doesn’t work around here any more. Folks are on to you.
Hillary can’t destroy the GOP or the conservative movement. Giuliani or Romney could, if given the opportunity.
Bush has already taken a pretty big cut at it. But you underestimate Hillary. If Hillary is elected, that is the beginning of the end for America. She’ll make sure that the Dems rule America for another century, much like the one-party system in Mexico.
LOL...you just can’t help yourself, can you.
You didn’t answer my question: Do you consider yourself a pragmatist?
What does it matter?
It matters a lot.
Looking at your posts, you sure appear to view yourself as a pragmatist.
But, your arguments don’t even hold up to purely pragmatic arguments.
Millions of base Republicans will go away, probably for good, if you nominate a liberal, and the GOP will lose. How pragmatic is that?
My take is that if Giuliani is the nominee, vast numbers of conservatives and Republicans will throw up their hands in disgust and stay home. If the nominee is Romney (and I am NO fan of Mitt's), that is much less likely to happen.
I wish Republicans would come up with a candidate that would say what we all say among ourselves.
Environmentalists are pains in the ass. We all say that at one time or another, Liberals included!! And half-way educated people of all political stripes know the hoax of "Global Warming." This is a sleeper issue in the HEART of tens of millions of Americans. Some of us think it's as urgent and important as the War on Terror and gun rights. Man-caused "global climate change" is an easily rebuked cheap hoax of leftist environmentalism that MUST be faced and fought. Appeasing leftist environmentalism poses immediate danger to U.S. freedom. Why not a Republican who SAYS IT??? If he did, he'd have a landslide of Americans who become at least in part his fans.
Government entitlements personally offend a whole heck of a lot of Americans, left and right. Entitlements for illegals, entitlements for people who refuse to work or improve themselves, entitlements for people who claim entitlements in the the name of any manner of absurd disability -- I've heard both Liberals and conservatives who are outraged by what they see, the difference being that the liberals haven't figured out that these things happened because they voted for politicians that made them happen. Why not a Republican candidate who SAYS IT, the things that we say among ourselves? That's what would beat Hillary.
What can beat Hillary is a Republican candidate who connects with and speaks for the regular-joe, live-and-let-live, average American who doesn't like government interfering with his lifestyle and taking away a goodly part of his hard work and wasting it. When in doubt, let the states decide, not the Federal Government.
Rush is right when he says conservatism works every time it's tried. Giulinism is a loser for all concerned.
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