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Did Media Or NASA Withhold Climate History Data Changes From The Public?
Newsbusters ^ | 8/9/2007 | Noel Sheppard

Posted on 08/09/2007 2:58:33 PM PDT by Neville72

A change in climate history data at NASA's Goddard Institute for Space Studies recently occurred which dramatically alters the debate over global warming. Yet, this transpired with no official announcement from GISS head James Hansen, and went unreported until Steve McIntyre of Climate Audit discovered it Wednesday.

For some background, one of the key tenets of the global warming myth being advanced by Hansen and soon-to-be-Dr. Al Gore is that nine of the ten warmest years in history have occurred since 1995.

McIntyre has been crunching the numbers used to determine such things as published by GISS, and has identified that the data have recently changed such that four of the top ten warmest years in American history occurred in the 1930s, with the warmest now in 1934 instead of the much-publicized 1998.

As McIntyre wrote Wednesday (emphasis added, h/t NBer dscott):

There has been some turmoil yesterday on the leaderboard of the U.S. (Temperature) Open and there is a new leader.

[...]

Four of the top 10 are now from the 1930s: 1934, 1931, 1938 and 1939, while only 3 of the top 10 are from the last 10 years (1998, 2006, 1999). Several years (2000, 2002, 2003, 2004) fell well down the leaderboard, behind even 1900.

Most importantly, according to the GISS, 1998 is no longer the warmest year in American history. That honor once again belongs to 1934.

As global warming is such a key issue being debated all around this country and on Capitol Hill, wouldn't such a change by the agency responsible for calculating such things be important to disseminate? When this correction was made by Hansen's team at the GISS, shouldn't it have been reported?

In fact, it is quite disgraceful that it wasn't, as it suggests that a government agency is actually participating in a fraud against the American people by withholding information crucial to a major policy issue now facing the nation.

Think this will be Newsweek's next cover-story?

No, I don't either.

Post facto thought: If Hansen's team had made changes to the data which showed that ten of the ten warmest years in American history occurred since 1995, do you think that would have been reported?

Yeah, I do, too.

*****Update: This appears to be necessary given some very silly e-mail messages that I've received. Gore's claim concerning warmest years in history pertains to data for the entire planet. The changes at GISS are only for American data.

However, as e-mail messages from various scientists around the world have pointed out, American climate data collection is the finest on the planet. It is expected that when these changes are made to numbers across the globe, the worldwide rankings might see some changes as well.

Yet, still more to the point is the fact that American data were changed without any announcement.

—Noel Sheppard is an economist, business owner, and Associate Editor of NewsBusters.


TOPICS: Editorial; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: climatechange; giss; globalwarming; globalwarminghoax; hiddendata; jameshansen; mediabias; warming
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1 posted on 08/09/2007 2:58:46 PM PDT by Neville72
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To: Neville72

I guess this is another reason why Al Gore did not stick around to talk to Bjorn Lomborg at the House Hearing on Global Warming back in March. :)


2 posted on 08/09/2007 3:03:11 PM PDT by P-40 (Al Qaeda was working in Iraq. They were just undocumented.)
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To: Neville72

Interestingly my latest Discover Magazine had an article that actually showed the other side of the global warming issue. I was stunned.
susie


3 posted on 08/09/2007 3:05:23 PM PDT by brytlea (amnesty--an act of clemency by an authority by which pardon is granted esp. to a group of individual)
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To: brytlea

Even more from Ace of Spades:

Even More: Commenters assure me this explanation of how this all unfolded is crazy-delicious. I haven’t had the time to read it yet; I’m throwing it up as fast as possible.

Cuffy Meiggs, who I often think of as “Drew,” says “dig deeper” into that Tech blog site TigerHawk links. Here’s the thing: James Hansen, who accused Bush of politicizing global warming science, is responsible for the bugged algorithms that produced the erroneous figures. Furthermore, he refused to release his algorithms so that they could be checked. The bug was discovered by someone who took the time to reverse-engineer Hansen’s flawed algorithm, and then, having accurately done so, proved NASA’s numbers were wrong. Thus causing the revision.

So James Hansen, who claimed Bush was politicizing Global Warming, refused to provide his algorithms to other researchers so they could simply check his work, hiding his own errors from them and distorting the science he claims to care about oh-so-much until some persistent researchers went to the great trouble of reconstructing his algorithms themselves.

Fire him. Immediately.


4 posted on 08/09/2007 3:07:20 PM PDT by Neville72 (uist)
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To: brytlea

Oops, sorry, I guess it wasn’t the most recent (I have been catching up on them so I can ship them off to my son). But here is the article on their website anyway.
http://discovermagazine.com/2007/jul/the-discover-interview-henrik-svensmark/?searchterm=global%20warming%20sun

susie


5 posted on 08/09/2007 3:08:32 PM PDT by brytlea (amnesty--an act of clemency by an authority by which pardon is granted esp. to a group of individual)
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To: Neville72

The sad thing is the average person really doesn’t understand the science, and so they just have to go along with what the media tells them. And when the media doesn’t very publicly admit mistakes, most people go on believing what they originally heard.
susie


6 posted on 08/09/2007 3:09:59 PM PDT by brytlea (amnesty--an act of clemency by an authority by which pardon is granted esp. to a group of individual)
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To: Neville72
Lessee, the 1930's saw the Dust Bowl drought, the likes of which haven't been seen since. And now it turns out that also was the warmest decade?

What's next, they'll tell me the Hockey Stick is wrong and it really was warm during the Medieval Warm Period when they were farming in Greenland???

7 posted on 08/09/2007 3:11:29 PM PDT by colorado tanker (I'm unmoderated - just ask Bill O'Reilly)
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To: Neville72

The only thing worse than normal junk science is demoKKKrat science.


8 posted on 08/09/2007 3:17:29 PM PDT by rickdylan
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To: colorado tanker

But wait, it is August 9th in Texas and we have YET to have a single day reach 100°F.
That date usually hits last week of June or first week of July. Sometimes. 1980 saw almost two months above 100°F.
This has been the coolest summer with the most rain EVER.
God I love glo-bull warming.....


9 posted on 08/09/2007 3:17:58 PM PDT by 9422WMR (Allah akbar fumar blacktar)
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To: colorado tanker

It gets better. http://www.coyoteblog.com/coyote_blog/2007/08/official-us-cli.html

Breaking News: Recent US Temperature Numbers Revised Downwards Today

This is really big news, and a fabulous example of why two-way scientific discourse is still valuable, in the same week that both Newsweek and Al Gore tried to make the case that climate skeptics were counter-productive and evil.

Climate scientist Michael Mann (famous for the hockey stick chart) once made the statement that the 1990’s were the warmest decade in a millennia and that “there is a 95 to 99% certainty that 1998 was the hottest year in the last one thousand years.” (By the way, Mann now denies he ever made this claim, though you can watch him say these exact words in the CBC documentary Global Warming: Doomsday Called Off).

Well, it turns out, according to the NASA GISS database, that 1998 was not even the hottest year of the last century. This is because many temperatures from recent decades that appeared to show substantial warming have been revised downwards. Here is how that happened (if you want to skip the story, make sure to look at the numbers at the bottom).

One of the most cited and used historical surface temperature databases is that of NASA/Goddard’s GISS. This is not some weird skeptics site. It is considered one of the premier world temperature data bases, and it is maintained by anthropogenic global warming true believers. It has consistently shown more warming than any other data base, and is thus a favorite source for folks like Al Gore. These GISS readings in the US rely mainly on the US Historical Climate Network (USHCN) which is a network of about 1000 weather stations taking temperatures, a number of which have been in place for over 100 years.

Frequent readers will know that I have been a participant in an effort led by Anthony Watts at SurfaceStations.org to photo-document these temperature stations as an aid to scientists in evaluating the measurement quality of each station. The effort has been eye-opening, as it has uncovered many very poor instrument sitings that would bias temperature measurements upwards, as I found in Tucson and Watts has documented numerous times on his blog.

One photo on Hall’s blog got people talking - a station in MN with a huge jump in temperature about the same time some air conditioning units were installed nearby. Others disagreed, and argued that such a jump could not be from the air conditioners, since a lot of the jump happened with winter temperatures when the AC was dormant. Steve McIntyre, the Canadian statistician who helped to expose massive holes in Michael Mann’s hockey stick methodology, looked into it. After some poking around, he began to suspect that the GISS data base had a year 2000 bug in one of their data adjustments.

One of the interesting aspects of these temperature data bases is that they do not just use the raw temperature measurements from each station. Both the NOAA (which maintains the USHCN stations) and the GISS apply many layers of adjustments, which I discussed here. One of the purposes of Watt’s project is to help educate climate scientists that many of the adjustments they make to the data back in the office does not necessarily represent the true condition of the temperature stations. In particular, GISS adjustments imply instrument sitings are in more natural settings than they were in say 1905, an outrageous assumption on its face that is totally in conflict to the condition of the stations in Watt’s data base. Basically, surface temperature measurements have a low signal to noise ratio, and climate scientists have been overly casual about how they try to tease out the signal.

Anyway, McIntyre suspected that one of these adjustments had a bug, and had had this bug for years. Unfortunately, it was hard to prove. Why? Well, that highlights one of the great travesties of climate science. Government scientists using taxpayer money to develop the GISS temperature data base at taxpayer expense refuse to publicly release their temperature adjustment algorithms or software (In much the same way Michael Mann refused to release the details for scrutiny of his methodology behind the hockey stick). Using the data, though, McIntyre made a compelling case that the GISS data base had systematic discontinuities that bore all the hallmarks of a software bug.

Today, the GISS admitted that McIntyre was correct, and has started to republish its data with the bug fixed. And the numbers are changing a lot. Before today, GISS would have said 1998 was the hottest year on record (Mann, remember, said with up to 99% certainty it was the hottest year in 1000 years) and that 2006 was the second hottest. Well, no more. Here are the new rankings for the 10 hottest years in the US, starting with #1:

1934, 1998, 1921, 2006, 1931, 1999, 1953, 1990, 1938, 1939

Three of the top 10 are in the last decade. Four of the top ten are in the 1930’s, before either the IPCC or the GISS really think man had any discernible impact on temperatures. Here is the chart for all the years in the data base:

There are a number of things we need to remember:

This is not the end but the beginning of the total reexamination that needs to occur of the USHCN and GISS data bases. The poor correction for site location and urbanization are still huge issues that bias recent numbers upwards. The GISS also has issues with how it aggregates multiple stations, apparently averaging known good stations with bad stations a process that by no means eliminates biases. As a first step, we must demand that NOAA and GISS release their methodology and computer algorithms to the general public for detailed scrutiny by other scientists.
The GISS today makes it clear that these adjustments only affect US data and do not change any of their conclusions about worldwide data. But consider this: For all of its faults, the US has the most robust historical climate network in the world. If we have these problems, what would we find in the data from, say, China? And the US and parts of Europe are the only major parts of the world that actually have 100 years of data at rural locations. No one was measuring temperature reliably in rural China or Paraguay or the Congo in 1900. That means much of the world is relying on urban temperature measurement points that have substantial biases from urban heat.
All of these necessary revisions to surface temperatures will likely not make warming trends go away completely. What it may do is bring the warming down to match the much lower satellite measured warming numbers we have, and will make current warming look more like past natural warming trends (e.g. early in this century) rather than a catastrophe created by man. In my global warming book, I argue that future man-made warming probably will exist, but will be more like a half to one degree over the coming decades than the media-hyped numbers that are ten times higher.
So how is this possible? How can the global warming numbers used in critical policy decisions and scientific models be so wrong with so basic of an error? And how can this error have gone undetected for the better part of a decade? The answer to the latter question is because the global warming and climate community resist scrutiny. This weeks Newsweek article and statements by Al Gore are basically aimed at suppressing any scientific criticism or challenge to global warming research. That is why NASA can keep its temperature algorithms secret, with no outside complaint, something that would cause howls of protest in any other area of scientific inquiry.

As to the first question, I will leave the explanation to Mr. McIntyre:

While acolytes may call these guys “professionals”, the process of data adjustment is really a matter of statistics and even accounting. In these fields, Hansen and Mann are not “professionals” - Mann admitted this to the NAS panel explaining that he was “not a statistician”. As someone who has read their works closely, I do not regard any of these people as “professional”. Much of their reluctance to provide source code for their methodology arises, in my opinion, because the methods are essentially trivial and they derive a certain satisfaction out of making things appear more complicated than they are, a little like the Wizard of Oz. And like the Wizard of Oz, they are not necessarily bad men, just not very good wizards.

For more, please see my Guide to Anthropogenic Global Warming or, if you have less time, my 60-second argument for why one should be skeptical of catastrophic man-made global warming theory.

Update: Nothing new, just thinking about this more, I cannot get over the irony that in the same week Newsweek makes the case that climate science is settled and there is no room for skepticism, skeptics discover a gaping hole and error in the global warming numbers.

Update #2: I know people get upset when we criticize scientists. I get a lot of “they are not biased, they just made a mistake.” Fine. But I have zero sympathy for a group of scientists who refuse to let other scientists review their methodology, and then find that they have been making a dumb methodology mistake for years that has corrupted the data of nearly every climate study in the last decade.

Update #3: I labeled this “breaking news,” but don’t expect to see it in the NY Times anytime soon. We all know this is one of those asymmetric story lines, where if the opposite had occurred (ie things found to be even worse/warmer than thought) it would be on the front page immediately, but a lowered threat will never make the news.


10 posted on 08/09/2007 3:20:27 PM PDT by Neville72 (uist)
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To: brytlea

Susie, you are so right! All the global warming con men have to do is to issue falsehood after falsehood, let it be reported by the media, and then sit back, confident that corrections will not be forthcoming. Global warming (aka Abrupt Climate Change) is, so far, the best con of the new millenium. It has appealed to all of those with no intellectual life whatsoever and given them a cause with which they can ‘define’ themselves and feel important and relevent.


11 posted on 08/09/2007 3:25:19 PM PDT by Continental Soldier
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To: Neville72
1) it appears to have been a simple programming glitch.

2) the details of how this was discovered are even more interesting...being a side effect of discovering that the US Historical Climate Network stations have been horribly corrupted by being all-too-often located in recent years adjacent to buildings, parking lots, air conditioning vents, and in wastewater treatment facilities...which isn't so bad for telling you if you'll need to go to the pool or turn up the AC today...but is awful to represent a control series to adjust other data by. In a counter-strike, some of the Anthropogenic Global Warming crowd attempted to show that setting the site adjacent to these heat sources didn't matter because Hansen and GISS (Goddard Institute of Space Science?) - NASA - were able to make adjustments to erase the effect. Upon examination, McIntyre - part of the pair that demonstrated the immense flaws in Mann's Hockeystick - began digging into the example, attempting to figure out what adjustments were made to the data series. What he discovered was that in Jan 2000, the series jumped from one set of adjusted data to another without being normalized, which had the effect of causing a spurious temperature rise for every year since 1999 for that site in MN. After McIntyre sent a note to the guys who do the GISS adjustments, they found the error was systemic. Worse yet, it appears that the data for the years since 1999 was used to adjust previous years data, and so a whole host of years are receiving adjustments.

3. The real issue is that there is little to no actual independent peer-review in the upper levels of the Climate Sciences field. GISS does not say exactly how they make their adjustments, and so they can't be reviewed. This is essentially what happened with the MBH98/99 hockeystick reports which while supposedly thousands of scientists did peer-review on them, it took 8 years before someone actually checked the math, and it was found the methods were useless. With this GISS data, the errors appear to be simple ones which likely were caused by true accident...but because they were not open and independently verified, we have years and years of work, with hundreds of citations, that are based upon a simply wrong set of adjusted data.

One of the basic steps to science is testing replicability. If the one putting out the report isn't releasing where he got his data, what the data is, what he did to adjust it, what his steps in analysis were, etc., then we have absolutely no business treating it as meaning anything. ...and btw, many of the guys doing this are chapter authors for the IPCC reports...which is how Mann got his graphs posted all over the TAR.

As I understand, GISS is not done with their adjustments, so it would be easy to cover this too much too soon...but there should have been something by now, and thus the author of this article is still correct.

12 posted on 08/09/2007 3:25:50 PM PDT by lepton ("It is useless to attempt to reason a man out of a thing he was never reasoned into"--Jonathan Swift)
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To: brytlea
The sad thing is the average person really doesn’t understand the science,

the sad thing is that the average scientist doesn't really understand the science, much less the statistics...and much of this is a statistical exercise by people who are not statisticians.

13 posted on 08/09/2007 3:28:06 PM PDT by lepton ("It is useless to attempt to reason a man out of a thing he was never reasoned into"--Jonathan Swift)
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To: 9422WMR
Same thing up here. We’re having the coolest, wettest, greenest summer in years. Hopefully, it’s the end of our drought.
14 posted on 08/09/2007 3:36:06 PM PDT by colorado tanker (I'm unmoderated - just ask Bill O'Reilly)
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To: Neville72

How can these numbers be jumping around? I would expect that when each new year goes into the list, it would bump the other years up or down one. But how can the relative rankings keep jumping all over the place?


15 posted on 08/09/2007 3:37:45 PM PDT by Steve_Seattle ("Above all, shake your bum at Burton.")
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To: Neville72

Whose blog is that link to...

And I note how closely it tracks to what I said. I’ve been watching this all unfold on the internet.


16 posted on 08/09/2007 3:38:41 PM PDT by lepton ("It is useless to attempt to reason a man out of a thing he was never reasoned into"--Jonathan Swift)
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To: Neville72
I know people get upset when we criticize scientists.

Well, IMHO they've brought it on themselves. We've had a parade of junk science in the post-WWII era from Ehrlich and Carson right up to this fiasco. And much as I would like to think this was an innocent mistake, the penchant for some leaders of the climate change movement to hide their data and avoid peer review makes me very, very skeptical.

17 posted on 08/09/2007 3:39:34 PM PDT by colorado tanker (I'm unmoderated - just ask Bill O'Reilly)
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To: Neville72; xcamel; SunkenCiv; Molly Pitcher

Whose blog is that link to?

...And I note how closely it tracks to what I was typing while you were posting. I’ve been watching this all unfold on the internet.


18 posted on 08/09/2007 3:39:48 PM PDT by lepton ("It is useless to attempt to reason a man out of a thing he was never reasoned into"--Jonathan Swift)
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To: colorado tanker

Also a cool summer in Seattle - there were 7-10 rainy, cool days in July, then some warm weather, now it’s cooled off again.


19 posted on 08/09/2007 3:41:18 PM PDT by Steve_Seattle ("Above all, shake your bum at Burton.")
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To: Steve_Seattle
How can these numbers be jumping around? I would expect that when each new year goes into the list, it would bump the other years up or down one. But how can the relative rankings keep jumping all over the place?

Because the numbers prior to 2000 were adjusted, and the numbers from 2006 pulled their data from one stage of the adjustment process and weren't normalized, giving the whole range after Jan 2000 a jump of at least .15C...and then that data was used to normalize some of the data from the past, so it carried the error back in time.

20 posted on 08/09/2007 3:43:21 PM PDT by lepton ("It is useless to attempt to reason a man out of a thing he was never reasoned into"--Jonathan Swift)
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To: lepton; OKSooner; honolulugal; Killing Time; Beowulf; Mr. Peabody; RW_Whacko; gruffwolf; ...

FReepmail me to get on or off


Click on POGW graphic for full GW rundown

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Ping me if you find one I've missed.


More being revealed..
21 posted on 08/09/2007 3:43:39 PM PDT by xcamel ("It's Talk Thompson Time!" >> irc://irc.freenode.net/fredthompson)
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To: Steve_Seattle
I was just up there. The weather was beautiful!
22 posted on 08/09/2007 3:43:51 PM PDT by colorado tanker (I'm unmoderated - just ask Bill O'Reilly)
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To: Neville72

Looks like there’s a few stations undocumented along my various paths. I’ll get on it.


23 posted on 08/09/2007 3:43:53 PM PDT by Paladin2 (Islam is the religion of violins, NOT peas.)
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To: colorado tanker

How would it qualify as an honest mistake if Hansen for asll these years has refused to let anyone check his algorythms?


24 posted on 08/09/2007 3:45:44 PM PDT by Neville72 (uist)
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To: xcamel
A blast from the past, noting the failure of climate science peer-review. This was from when the National Academy of Sciences had a panel and their statistician review Mann's Hockeystick 8 years after it revolutionized the Climate Sciences field:

Wegman findings:

http://www.urban-renaissance.org/urbanren/publications/WegmanReport[3].pdf

Findings
In general, we found MBH98 and MBH99 to be somewhat obscure and incomplete and the criticisms of MM03/05a/05b to be valid and compelling. We also comment that they were attempting to draw attention to the discrepancies in MBH98 and MBH99, and not to do paleoclimatic temperature reconstruction. Normally, one would try to select a calibration dataset that is representative of the entire dataset. The 1902-1995 data is not fully appropriate for calibration and leads to a misuse in principal component analysis. However, the reasons for setting 1902-1995 as the calibration point presented in the narrative of MBH98 sounds reasonable, and the error may be easily overlooked by someone not trained in statistical methodology. We note that there is no evidence that Dr. Mann or any of the other authors in paleoclimatology studies have had significant interactions with mainstream statisticians.

In our further exploration of the social network of authorships in temperature reconstruction, we found that at least 43 authors have direct ties to Dr. Mann by virtue of coauthored papers with him. Our findings from this analysis suggest that authors in the area of paleoclimate studies are closely connected and thus ‘independent studies’ may not be as independent as they might appear on the surface. This committee does not believe that web logs are an appropriate forum for the scientific debate on this issue.

It is important to note the isolation of the paleoclimate community; even though they rely heavily on statistical methods they do not seem to be interacting with the statistical community. Additionally, we judge that the sharing of research materials, data and results was haphazardly and grudgingly done. In this case we judge that there was too much reliance on peer review, which was not necessarily independent. Moreover, the work has been sufficiently politicized that this community can hardly reassess their public positions without losing credibility. Overall, our committee believes that Mann’s assessments that the decade of the 1990s was the hottest decade of the millennium and that 1998 was the hottest year of the millennium cannot be supported by his analysis.

* The CFR methodology is essentially the methodology used in the MBH98/99 papers, but the terminology was not used until later.

25 posted on 08/09/2007 3:49:43 PM PDT by lepton ("It is useless to attempt to reason a man out of a thing he was never reasoned into"--Jonathan Swift)
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To: lepton

Basically, these have all been cries in the wilderness - there’s no grant money in in the truth. It took 25 years to correct the data from 1800 to 1910 based on air pressure compensation of heavy-column mercury thermometers and inaccurate calibrations.


26 posted on 08/09/2007 3:53:12 PM PDT by xcamel ("It's Talk Thompson Time!" >> irc://irc.freenode.net/fredthompson)
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To: Neville72
How would it qualify as an honest mistake if Hansen for all these years has refused to let anyone check his algorithms?

Pretty tough to get there, isn't it?

Does Hanson do anything useful for the taxpayers, or is he a full time global warming jihadi?

27 posted on 08/09/2007 3:56:11 PM PDT by colorado tanker (I'm unmoderated - just ask Bill O'Reilly)
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To: Neville72
I read somewhere that the same climate change experienced on earth is also occurring on other planets.
28 posted on 08/09/2007 3:57:28 PM PDT by street_lawyer (Conservative Defender of the Faith)
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To: lepton

Well, scientists with agendas are a bad thing.
susie


29 posted on 08/09/2007 3:58:50 PM PDT by brytlea (amnesty--an act of clemency by an authority by which pardon is granted esp. to a group of individual)
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To: Neville72
Climate change is universal not merely earthly:
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/article1720024.ece
30 posted on 08/09/2007 4:00:01 PM PDT by street_lawyer (Conservative Defender of the Faith)
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To: Neville72

I have no doubt the whole data set is skewed towards favoring the global warming theory. There is so much manipulation of the data and so much money at stake in proving global warming exists. If the ‘studies’ all of a sudden showed global warming is not an immediate dangers, billions and billions of dollars of research would dry up.


31 posted on 08/09/2007 4:01:11 PM PDT by Always Right
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To: Neville72
Simultaneous warming on Earth and Mars suggests that our planet's recent climate changes have a natural—and not a human-induced—cause, according to one scientist's controversial theory. http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2007/02/070228-mars-warming.html

 


 

32 posted on 08/09/2007 4:08:10 PM PDT by street_lawyer (Conservative Defender of the Faith)
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To: Neville72
"So James Hansen, who claimed Bush was politicizing Global Warming, refused to provide his algorithms to other researchers so they could simply check his work, hiding his own errors from them "

In that case James Hansen is not a scientist, and ought to return his PhD.

33 posted on 08/09/2007 4:12:42 PM PDT by cookcounty (Famous Quotes: "I have not yet begun to fight!! ...and I'm so exhausted!" --Huffin' Harry Reid)
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To: Always Right

I have heard that Hansen is going to accept a job as The New Republic science writer (sarc!).


34 posted on 08/09/2007 4:14:50 PM PDT by Melchior
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To: Neville72

NASA isn’t the main weather agency. They do some work in the field on contract.


35 posted on 08/09/2007 4:16:01 PM PDT by RightWhale (It's Brecht's donkey, not mine)
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To: Melchior

He’d do well to start advising the Media on Iraq status and policy and give up the AGW.


36 posted on 08/09/2007 4:17:57 PM PDT by Paladin2 (Islam is the religion of violins, NOT peas.)
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To: P-40

“I guess this is another reason why Al Gore did not stick around to talk to Bjorn Lomborg at the House Hearing on Global Warming back in March.”

No, he was afraid his intro song was going to be “It’s Getting Hot In Here (So Take Off All Your Clothes), and that would have been so, so wrong.


37 posted on 08/09/2007 4:18:23 PM PDT by toddlintown (Six bullets and Lennon goes down. Yet not one hit Yoko. Discuss.)
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To: Neville72

Referance ping to bash the Gaia earth worshipers with *


38 posted on 08/09/2007 4:19:34 PM PDT by Para-Ord.45
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To: Neville72

1934 makes the glo warmers look silly. Lying about 1998 was what the glo warmers were counting on to push their agenda....opps the turds lose again.


39 posted on 08/09/2007 4:24:10 PM PDT by shield (A wise man's heart is at his RIGHT hand;but a fool's heart at his LEFT. Ecc 10:2)
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To: Neville72
Gore's claim concerning warmest years in history pertains to data for the entire planet. The changes at GISS are only for American data.

A guy called Rush today to say that worldwide temps seemed to be on the upswing because after the collapse of the Soviet Union, they no longer monitored their climate data and their numbers were left off subsequent tallies of average temps worldwide. Russia, being so cold most of the time--their numbers were not available to balance out the rest of the world's temps, so it gave the impression that the planet was heating up during the '90s. I don't know if this info can be verified but it was an interesting point the guy made.

40 posted on 08/09/2007 4:25:31 PM PDT by rabidralph
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To: Neville72; SunkenCiv; neverdem; xcamel; B4Ranch; Molly Pitcher; sourcery; CedarDave; Badeye; ...
NASA Admits Error: 1934 Back to Warmest Year in U.S.

Quantifying the Hansen Y2K Error (Weblog Climate Audit Finds NASA GISS US Temp error--big one!)

1998 No Longer Hottest ear on Record

An Inconvenient Truth Squad

Did Media Or NASA Withhold Climate History Data Changes From The Public?

Similar threads today.

This, by the way, isn't the only thing in the pipe. If Climate Audit comes back up (I'm sure their server was flooded), look at the stuff with the IPCCs 4AR. Steve McIntyre was a reviewer for chapters in the IPCC. To get the writing to review, he had to go through an equivalent to Aurther Dent's efforts to see plans in Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy. McIntyre and McIntrick(sp?) and Pielke were all peer-reviewers, and when they posted issues, they got back responses that amounted to little more than "nu-uh!"

One particular thing that one of them pointed out was a Briffa 2006 study which the 4AR authors cited and included in a graph. The reason for the protests was that they included the part of the line where Briffa brought his data forward, but then clipped off the part where the data diverged heavily, going steeply down instead of up.

41 posted on 08/09/2007 4:25:57 PM PDT by lepton ("It is useless to attempt to reason a man out of a thing he was never reasoned into"--Jonathan Swift)
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“the sad thing is that the average scientist doesn’t really understand the science, much less the statistics...and much of this is a statistical exercise by people who are not statisticians.”

That sounds highly plausible to me. I work with engineers and others who have a science background. They have many strengths, but not in statistics.

42 posted on 08/09/2007 4:26:55 PM PDT by ChessExpert (Climate change for 4.5 billion years and counting)
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43 posted on 08/09/2007 4:29:05 PM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: Neville72

“Most importantly, according to the GISS, 1998 is no longer the warmest year in American history. That honor once again belongs to 1934.”

Let me see if I can get this? 1934 was the warmest year. Then the story changed and 1998 was the warmest year. Then the story changed again and 1934 returned to being the coldest year. Is that right?

If so, is this a plausible explanation? 1934 was the warmest year. The data was normalized/altered to make 1998 the warmest year. This may have been done due to an AGW agenda. This was found out by an outsider. The record has been set straight and now 1934 is back to being the warmest year. Is this the gist (or at least one possible gist) of what is going on?


44 posted on 08/09/2007 4:38:17 PM PDT by ChessExpert (Climate change for 4.5 billion years and counting)
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To: Neville72
Image hosted by Photobucket.com listen... warming, cooling, it was 50/50. so i took a shot!!!

45 posted on 08/09/2007 4:41:09 PM PDT by Chode (American Hedonist)
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To: Neville72
How would it qualify as an honest mistake if Hansen for asll these years has refused to let anyone check his algorythms?

That's what I was wondering it doesn't compute. That's not how legitimate science is done.

46 posted on 08/09/2007 4:49:14 PM PDT by TigersEye (Intellectuals only exist if you think they do.)
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To: Neville72

“... refused to provide his algorithms ...”

Maybe he thought they were Al Gore’s ithms.


47 posted on 08/09/2007 4:53:13 PM PDT by USFRIENDINVICTORIA
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To: Neville72
soon-to-be-Dr. Al Gore

What?

48 posted on 08/09/2007 5:08:58 PM PDT by fanfan ("We don't start fights my friends, but we finish them, and never leave until our work is done."PMSH)
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To: Neville72

If he is a gov employee it may be next to impossible.

HOWEVER, if this story can be given some legs, it has the potential of undermining all of the Global Warming advocates.

I bet by the end of the day, so to speak, this Hansen is going to be thrown under the bus by algore or have an arkenside.


49 posted on 08/09/2007 5:14:47 PM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: cogitator
Read it, carefully.
50 posted on 08/09/2007 5:25:40 PM PDT by Carry_Okie (There are people in power who are truly evil.)
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