Posted on 08/10/2007 8:47:56 AM PDT by Reaganesque
Can you get me a copy of the schedule, I want to order extra arrogance and a large latte when my turn comes around:-)
I’ll bite.
If you go for the person who is merely “electable”, you wind up with a bunch of mealy-mouthed populists who are completely unable to make an unpopular decision for the benefit of the country.
Exhibit A: The House of Representatives.
Exhibit B: The Senate.
I don’t think I have ever seen such a namby-pamby collection of outright losers than those circus geek rejects we have “representing” us... my state notwithstanding.
That, my FRiend, is what “pragmatism” gets us. I find it unacceptable.
APf
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From my experience, it's defined by each individual. Since individuals rarely agree completely, there will always be some dispute regarding that definition.
Almost every thread addressing the election confirms that even here on Free Republic, there are wildly differing views of what it means to be a conservative.
Anyone can say anything, but it doesn’t make it so, unless you are referencing a specific definition...which would make it relative.
He was a humble chap. LOL
Need to prempt..
"if it wasn't for all you damn neocons and RINOs we would even have these problems! Vote for the only "true conservative"* in the race, Ron Paul!"
Maybe that will help them out and save some bandwidth...
(please note the terms "True Conservative" and "True Conservatives" are a copyright of the Ron Paul campaign. Any use without express permission of the Ron Paul campaign is strictly prohibited)
Frankly, it doesn’t matter how one defines “conservative”. We should stand for the best policies, actions or inaction, without reference to the label. If someone wants to say that it is “liberal” to stand up for the unborn and against the moral decay of society, then damn, I guess I am a liberal. Call me what you want; what matters is doing the right thing.
Then where are are the true belivers that have been elected?
I know the list for the most part, but I still pose the question.
How do you get past this given our current situation as far as who can vote etc....
That’s why when it comes to how men believe, I don’t think there are such things as absolutes.
Does that mean a liberal could be great if he did most of what he did very well, and for (what he believed) were the right reasons?
I most confess that I voted for Bush without any reseverations, and clearly millions of others did the same. He came in on a solid wave of conservative support that included maybe ten million people who hadn’t voted in the 2000 election.
That’s why it has been so disappointing that Bush took that momentum, which had hillary waving Bibles around and talking about compromising on abortion for a month or so, and gradually started to throw it away.
No question, things would have been a lot worse if Jean Kerri and Breck Girl had been elected. But other than the two judicial appointments (after the Miers detour) Bush did surprisingly little for the base that turned out for him so powerfully. No permanent tax cuts. No sensible energy bill. Steady on Iraq, but allowing his advisers to set stupid rules of engagement, until he finally was forced to give it to Petraeus to pull out.
Sure, he was undermined by the RINOs on many of these things, but he weakly let them do it. He is a good man personally, but seems to lack understanding of what it means to take the hard decisions of a public leader—with the one exception of the War on Terror, which at least he stuck with come hell or high water, although seemingly content to do a half-way job of it.
Illegal immigration proved to be the last straw. We must continue to support him, because there is no alternative. But we also have to watch him, or he’ll do it again.
We do owe him a lot for his faithfulness to the inalienable right to life, one of the few areas where he has stood on his own principles and refused to be guided or turned by Rove & company. For that we can be very grateful.
I don’t recall claiming that I had all the answers. But I find the current FR theme of cheerleading populist Republicans more than a little alarming. I also find that the trend of voting AGAINST someone no matter the opponent even more alarming. “Anyone but Hillary” is just going to further the demolition of the conservative wing of the Republican party, because we will GET “ANYONE”. That anyone will have an (R) after his or her name and will most likely be yet another populist jerkwad (**cough cough Rudy cough**).
The Republican boat is partially steered from this website, with its goal of advancing conservative ideas, philosophy and policies among the core of the supporters. But lately anyone with an (R) after their name seems to do here. “Pragmatists” who want to “play the game” run roughshod. And yes, I find this alarming as well.
But you have a nice day. I’m not taking you to task for anything, this is just the nature of the political “game”, no?
APf
I think single issue voters are harmful to the conservative movement. Granted, my first priority by a wide margin will be how the next POTUS can be expected to handle the WOT. Still, of nearly equal importance to me is that, if the next POTUS is elected to a second term, we could reasonably expect that he/she will be responsible for as many as 4 Supreme Court appointments. If SCOTUS gets stacked with a liberal majority, it will profoundly shape American culture for the next 50 years to the point of no return.
So, for me, the answer to the question is: A “real” conservative is one who’ll appoint constitutionalist judges to the Supreme Court.
“The Republican boat is partially steered from this website, ....”
Just how much steering is likely to be done if the populists get run off ?
You don’t get to be Captain by sulking in your cabin saying “ I told you we should have gone to Hawaii” when you’re needed on the bridge to help stay clear of the icebergs.
There are points to be made on both sides. While Bush was electable, he has certainly let us down and perhaps should have been put through the ringer more. Had the Internet been a force, perhaps Bob Dole wouldn’t have been annointed either (with disastrous consequence). You can hate our discussions here, but I suspect we will all be better off for having had them, though holding a grudge certainly has it’s drawbacks.
“We will have no more of those candidates who are pledged to the same goals as our opposition and who seek our support. Turning the Party over to the so-called moderates wouldn’t make any sense at all.” —Ronald Reagan
“A political party cannot be all things to all people. It must represent certain fundamental beliefs which must not be compromised to political expediency, or simply to swell its numbers.
I do not believe I have proposed anything that is contrary to what has been considered Republican principle. It is at the same time the very basis of conservatism. It is time to reassert that principle and raise it to full view. And if there are those who cannot subscribe to these principles, then let them go their way.”
— Ronald Reagan, March 1, 1975
“Let us lay to rest, once and for all, the myth of a small group
of ideological purists trying to capture a majority.
Replace it with the reality of a majority trying to assert
its rights against the tyranny of powerful academics, fashionable
left-revolutionaries, some economic illiterates who happen to hold
elective office and the social engineers who dominate the dialogue
and set the format in political and social affairs. If there is any
ideological fanaticism in American political life, it is to be found
among the enemies of freedom on the left or right — those who would
sacrifice principle to theory, those who worship only the god of
political, social and economic abstractions, ignoring the realities of everyday life. They are not conservatives.”
http://reagan2020.us/speeches/The_New_Republican_Party.asp
I also think it's important we start distancing ourself from Bush. IMHO, he's been a huge disappointment, both in his breathtaking executive incompetence and in his failure to stand up for conservative principles. He justly deserves his abysmal approval ratings.
Running as pro-Bush would be the kiss of death in the general election for whoever ends up as the GOP nominee in 2008, given how much the public dislikes him. Romney has distanced himself a bit from Bush already, though not too much, which is the right strategy for the primary. You don't want to look disloyal to the party base. When he gets the nomination, he will need to draw as many distinctions between himself and Bush as possible. We cannot afford to have 2008 be a referendum on the Bush presidency, because if it turns out that way, we will surely lose. Our candidate should avoid all public appearances with the president. If possible, we should ban all members of the Bush family from the GOP convention next summer, though I realize that's probably a fantasy.
On the other hand, we can't have the GOP candidate run as Hilary light. He needs to show he's a true conservative, only of a drastically different variety than the current president.
>> I think picking someone “electable” has set back the small government conservative movement back at least 40 years.
So running someone that was not “electable” would’ve been better? I believe we’d be coming up on the end of President Al Gore’s 2nd term now, had we chosen an unelectable candidate.
How, exactly, would that be a step FORWARD for small government conservatives?
H
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