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1 posted on 08/11/2007 12:26:03 AM PDT by JohnHuang2
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There is a difference between military men and women

And in other breaking news, there is a difference between domesticated dogs and cats.
2 posted on 08/11/2007 12:38:38 AM PDT by no dems (Dear God, how long are you going to let Ted Kennedy, Robert Byrd and John Conyers live?)
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There is a difference between military men and women

Vive la differénce!

3 posted on 08/11/2007 12:40:51 AM PDT by B-Chan (Catholic. Monarchist. Texan. Any questions?)
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And as Maurice Chevalier said, "Vive le difference!"
4 posted on 08/11/2007 12:40:57 AM PDT by 60Gunner (ER Nursing: You watch it... We live it!)
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There is a difference between military men and women

There should be a government study on this. Give me a $20 million grant and I'll get right on it.
5 posted on 08/11/2007 12:46:06 AM PDT by kb2614 (Hell hath no fury than a bureaucrat scorned)
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Intellectually..... equivalent...

militarily... take a hike!!

6 posted on 08/11/2007 12:46:52 AM PDT by Nitro (Nitro does it with a BANG!!)
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I’m not sure how much stupider our culture can get.

this is one aspect of the hispanicanization of the US that might actually help

during all my time in latin america, they never suffered such tomfoolery down there

they knew damn well the differnces tween men and women and celebrated it

and most women reveled in being feminine....


8 posted on 08/11/2007 1:17:23 AM PDT by wardaddy (Is it hot today or just me?)
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“””The Navy has male trainees do a minimum of 42 push-ups for a minimum score; women must do 17. Men (ages 20 to 24) must swim 500 yards in 12 minutes, 15 seconds; women (ages 20 to 24) get 14 minutes to accomplish the same.”””


I am told that when a female in the Marine uniform stands before me, that she is a full, 100% Marine.

If the female with her uninspiring girly abilities is a Marine, then what is the male, a super, super, super duper, Marine?


9 posted on 08/11/2007 1:34:09 AM PDT by ansel12 (Life is Exquisite, of Great Beauty Keenly Felt.)
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US Army covers up an ‘embarrassment’ (Pregnancies)
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1160184/posts

Pregnant troops leave the war; Central Command not counting
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1154297/posts


11 posted on 08/11/2007 2:54:27 AM PDT by familyop (cbt. engr. (cbt.)--has-been, will write Duncan Hunter in)
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— a rule that would have spared the life of supply clerk Lori Piestewa, a 24-year-old single mother of two (now 5 and 6). Piestewa’s brother told a reporter that Lori felt that “she wasn’t going to be anywhere near any type of dangerous situation.”

The rule would also save the lives of men who are killed when these woman fail in clashes with the enemy. ANYONE male or female is doomed to failure when standards are lowered to let them join.

Also, Piestewa, God bless her, may have been a little slow or even stupid if she EVER doubted that someone in her support role wouldn’t or couldn’t meet the enemy.

But why we are still talking about this is beyond me. The lies is produced, EVERYONE involved salutes it and serves it and mouthes it. When the predictable morale results in the predictable failure (Piestewa’s unit)the lies are mouthed and saluted a little more and the whole thing is swept aside and life goes on.

If our military people don’t have a problem with dying for a PC lie (and they don’t seem to, nor do police) we won’t have a real problem unless or until we engage an enemy with the resources, brains and balls to fight traditionally.

At that point we will run out of support units and the best trained, best equipped, deadliest combat troops in modern history will be pretty much on their own.


15 posted on 08/11/2007 5:17:47 AM PDT by TalBlack
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"...gender-integrated basic training is based on the unrealistic assumption that men and women are interchangeable in all military roles...."

That is the nutshell. The problem is, you will be vilified if you make the factually true statement: "There are physical things the average woman cannot do that the average man can."

Nobody doubts that there are women out there who can perform at the same level a man does...just not on the average. If you take the average male, pull him off the street, evaluate, motivate and train him, you may be able to get him to carry 80lbs of gear on a 20 mile march through mountainous terrain. On average, his musculature will be able to handle it and his bone structure will be able to handle it.

The same statement cannot be made for the average woman. Sure, you can get women nearer to the top of the pyramid who can perform at the same level as the body of average men. But that requires an entirely different process to produce that.

It is the type of fact that is painful to liberals who desire equal outcomes in all endeavors, be they mental, physical or economic.

Not everyone is capable of the same achievement level in any arena, be it mental, physical or economic. Libs hate to hear that. They KNOW it and understand it, but like to pretend it is not valid because it is more valuable to them that way.

19 posted on 08/11/2007 5:40:30 AM PDT by rlmorel (Liberals: If the Truth would help them, they would use it.)
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Not only is there a difference between military men and women, there is also a marked difference between civilian men and women too!

Praise God we don't have to be homosexual to enjoy the finer points of life ;-)

20 posted on 08/11/2007 5:41:58 AM PDT by trebb ("I am the way... no one comes to the Father, but by me..." - Jesus in John 14:6 (RSV))
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How many female soldiers can throw a wounded male soldier over their shoulder and carry ‘em out of the jungle?
23 posted on 08/11/2007 5:53:58 AM PDT by TRY ONE (NUKE the unborn gay whales!)
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As a woman and a veteran, I previously made some statements about this that got me into deep kinchee with some of my patriotic FRiends.

I'm more careful now.

27 posted on 08/11/2007 6:47:37 AM PDT by bannie (The Good Guys cannot win when they're the only ones playing by the rules.)
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There are military jobs women can do well, and jobs they can’t. The trick is to take emotion and political correctness out of the decision and look only at effectiveness. National security is too important to play social engineering games.

It never bothered me that there were jobs I was excluded from doing because of gender. I knew that I was good at the job I was doing, that it was important, and I did it to the best of my ability. There were times when I came up against unreasonable anti-female bias, but even the most obnoxious bigots shut up after I proved my dependability and competence.

Physical fitness standards should be matched to the job, not the gender of the individual. There’s a reason that the fitness standards of the SEALs differ from the standards of your average sailor. Some military jobs require a great deal of physical strength, others much less.

At the same time, even the staunchest traditionalists need to understand that women are here to stay in the military. Without a draft, there simply aren’t enough young men willing to serve to fill the ranks.


29 posted on 08/11/2007 7:54:11 AM PDT by LadyNavyVet
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“Women are currently banned from combat. If we needed to draft Americans, would Clinton require women to sign up for the Selective Service in preparation for mandatory combat duty? Would you conscript America’s daughters? That’s the sad direction we’ve been heading in.” Kathryn Lopez


Wrong, Ms. Lopez. It is against the law to place females in combat rolls, but they are not being banned. An attack helicopter operating over a battle field is COMBAT. Women are flying such helicopters.

Women assigned to intelligence units are (or have been) in battle zones kicking doors in with males.

But we agree with your words, Ms. Lopez, “That’s (women being conscripted and the potential for them being in combat)the sad direction we’ve been heading in.” SAD indeed!


Why Christian Women Should not Join the Military:
A Plea from a Woman Veteran
By Mrs. Richard Downin
Jun 25, 2003

In the New Testament there are many direct commands that speak to women about how they are to live. There are also many examples of godly women who served the Lord. These commands and examples prove, I believe, that the military is no place for a Christian woman.

The first direct command is found in Titus 2:5, “To be discreet, chaste, keepers at home, obedient to their own husbands, that the word of God be not blasphemed.” Women are to be keepers at home. Not just “housekeepers,” but keepers at home. How can they keep (protect) the occupants of their homes if they are off fighting in a war? If they are not keepers at home they are blaspheming the word of God.

The next direct command I would like to examine is found in 1 Peter 3:4, “But it let be the hidden man of the heart, in that which is not corruptible, even the ornament of a meek and quiet spirit, which is in the sight of God of great price.” To God the meek and quiet spirit is worth a great price. He values the gentleness of a woman higher than any other adorning that she can put on the outside. If a woman is to serve in the military, she can not be gentle and quiet. The military is an occupation that requires its members to continually prepare for war. War by nature is anything but a gentle and quiet procedure. War is about fighting, killing and destroying.

When a woman is in the military she needs to be agressive and dominant. It is unsafe if she is not. Her comrades depend on her to be that way. When I was a flight engineer, I worked with a woman pilot a few times who had a gentle voice. She was asked to speak louder, and many felt uncomfortable around her because she seemed to lack command. In her proper sphere, this gentleness is perfectly in its place; in the military it can be life-threatening. Men are better suited to command forcefully.

The next verse I would like to examine is 1 Timothy 2:9” “In like manner also, that women adorn themselves in modest apparel, with shamefacedness and sobriety; not with broided hair, or gold or pearls of costly array.” The first phrase that stands out to me in this verse is “modest apparel.” When a woman is in the military, she must wear men’s apparel. The clothing that I had to wear was anything but modest. I wore a dark-colored T-shirt, battle dress pants, a battle dress jacket over the T-shirt and black combat boots everyday. When working inside, airmen are allowed to remove their jackets. And I can tell you from eight years experience that the men enjoy seeing the young female soldiers in their T-shirts.

There is another word that is in direct opposition to what is expected of a strong military airman. That word is “shamefacedness.” Shamefacedness is not talked about much anymore, nor is it practiced, even among Christian women. Nevertheless, it is in the Bible. To be shamefaced is to not stare at men or hold their gaze for a long time. When a woman is in the military, she works very closely with other men and must look at them. She may at times be tempted to hold their gazes while working alongside them.

In the same chapter of Timothy in verse 12 there is another command” “But I suffer not a woman to teach nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.” Women in the military are almost always placed in authority over a male. There is a rank structure in the military that allows one to outrank someone else very quickly. This is clearly not God’s design for Christian women to order men around. This does not mean that women are not intelligent or strong; it simply means that women are not to rule over men.

The last and possibly most important direct command is in 1 Thessalonians 5:22: “Abstain from all appearance of evil.” When I was in the military I had to work very closely with men. Some men were married, some were divorced and some were single. There were several times when I had to work nighshift for a few months. Each time I was on this shift with only one other male. We worked all night together, just he and I. I truly believe that I gave the appearance of evil when I spent entire nights alone with men who were not my husband. I have also had to literally sleep next to men who were not my husband. Nights in the woods were spent close to these men in a tent or in sleeping bags. I also spent many nights sleeping next to other men in other areas. No godly Christian woman would dare sleep next to a man other than her husband night after night, but that is what the military requires. The military requires that you become like a man. You must do what the men do. This is not the place of any woman, but it is especially important that women who profess the name of Christ avoid all such situations.


30 posted on 08/11/2007 8:08:47 AM PDT by John Leland 1789
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