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To: FlingWingFlyer

I am a proponent of the draft for a number of reasons.

1. We really DO need a bigger armed forces. The proposition that we can fight a GWOT with what we have right now is a total joke. I don’t care how precise and lethal are forces are. If you are unwilling to bomb your enemy back into the Stone Age (which we are not), you still need boot on the ground to enforce your will on the enemy.
2. It would instill some discipline in a country that sorely needs it. I really believe that one of the reasons why Liberalism is so rampant, is because many young people have never known any discipline. The miltiary would provide that. Its not a silver bullet, but I think it would go a long way toward reversing the decline of our culture.
3. The Liberals are right (yes) when they say that we will only go to war with a draftee army when we care about the cause. I think we went into Iraq without really thinking things through. Now we are stuck with the consequences and we have no choice but to win. If we go to war with a draftee army, a lot of this politically correct crap will go out the window. The middle and upper classes will want to crush the opposition pronto with whatever means necessary to bring little Johnny & Julie home ASAP.
4. Yes, Vietnam went sour with a draftee army—not because of the troops, but because the war was mismanaged by the politicians. Targets had to picked by Johnson himself fer chrissakes. Failing to crush the enemy over an extended period of time is a prescription for disaster.
5. I actually think that if the upper classes got involved in wars again, we would start to win again. Vietnam was fought without the upper class. Right now, a lot of people look at our military as almost a mercenary force. It is time to stop that. We are all Americans and have responsibilities as such. We would all be better off if we got back to that. Pushing responsibilities off on others is what got Rome in trouble. It is a sad state of affairs that we have a country of 300M, but can barely meet our recruiting goals.

Truth in Advertising:
1. I am retired AF and understand history very well
2. I have a draft age son


22 posted on 08/12/2007 6:15:12 PM PDT by rbg81 (DRAIN THE SWAMP!!)
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To: rbg81
It would instill some discipline in a country that sorely needs it. I really believe that one of the reasons why Liberalism is so rampant, is because many young people have never known any discipline.

South Korea has had a draft for nearly 60 years and they have quite a problem with moonbattery themselves! LOL!

24 posted on 08/12/2007 6:17:20 PM PDT by Tamar1973 (Riding the Korean Wave, one BYJ movie at a time! (http://www.byj.co.kr))
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To: rbg81
Uh, I will say right now that I would never again fight with conscripts beside me.

Nor allow my draft age son to do so unless he kills me and climbs over my dead body.

Yes, Vietnam went sour with a draftee army—not because of the troops, but because the war was mismanaged by the politicians.

There is some truth in your fiction and some fiction in your truth.

But I will again state: "never again"

And in a nutshell, that is exactly what they want to effect with one.

31 posted on 08/12/2007 6:37:17 PM PDT by bill1952 ("All that we do is done with an eye towards something else.")
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To: rbg81
“3. The Liberals are right (yes) when they say that we will only go to war with a draftee army when we care about the cause. I think we went into Iraq without really thinking things through. Now we are stuck with the consequences and we have no choice but to win. If we go to war with a draftee army, a lot of this politically correct crap will go out the window. The middle and upper classes will want to crush the opposition pronto with whatever means necessary to bring little Johnny & Julie home ASAP.
“4. Yes, Vietnam went sour with a draftee army—not because of the troops, but because the war was mismanaged by the politicians. Targets had to picked by Johnson himself fer chrissakes. Failing to crush the enemy over an extended period of time is a prescription for disaster.”

Friend, do you not see the contradiction of points 3 and 4?

You say in point No. 3 that with a conscripted army the war will be managed in such a ways as to get finished and get home. But in No. 4 you are telling us that a war with a conscripted army could also be sorely mismanaged (e.g. Viet Nam), so that the hoped-for result in No. 3 won’t take place.

40 posted on 08/12/2007 6:55:36 PM PDT by John Leland 1789
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To: rbg81

“Truth in Advertising:
“1. I am retired AF and understand history very well
“2. I have a draft age son”


Do you have draft-age daughters. What is your view on drafting females.

Truth in Advertising:
1. I am an Air Force Veteran (Viet Nam war era), of 6-1/2 years.
2. I have draft-age sons and daughters.


41 posted on 08/12/2007 6:59:03 PM PDT by John Leland 1789
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To: rbg81
2. I have a draft age son

Wonderful, would your version of the draft include females, as well? If not, what would you do when the Supreme Court rules that unconstitutional? Would you continue to draft, knowing that our daughters have to go, or would you just scrap the whole thing, and go back to the volunteer army?

46 posted on 08/12/2007 7:17:06 PM PDT by hunter112 (Change will happen when very good men are forced to do very bad things.)
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